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Re: The Book of Songbird (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

This passes.

My goal is to run her this weekend. Planning on doing some testing this week, but I'm going to hit spells and some of the units lingering in testing first. No sense in rushing her out to the public just so she can wait.

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

Not sure how useful it'll actually be, but I thought I should mention that an In Character Clayface is a Charlatan and, thus, would receive full Thunderbolt synergies while mimicking someone. Hmmm.... That shifting synergy may be interesting.


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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

I doubt Clayface will be much use as a Charlatan, since he only gets the synergy after destroying a figure, and then loses it the next time he deals wounds. It's not quite in "never going to come up" territory, but I don't think it's a particularly wise investment of points for the T-Bolts.

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

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I doubt Clayface will be much use as a Charlatan, since he only gets the synergy after destroying a figure, and then loses it the next time he deals wounds. It's not quite in "never going to come up" territory, but I don't think it's a particularly wise investment of points for the T-Bolts.
Didn't think he was, but thought it was worth mentioning. Perhaps a Charlatan/Criminal combined synergy build would be fun to try? Doubt it'd be very effective, but it could be fun.


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Or a Norman Osborne with a power to recruit a Criminal into the Charlatan synergy...

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

I don't see the Thunderbolts/Dark Reign era Osborn that I know johnny will eventually give us as working with the Charlatans, really. I feel like Charlatan should be reserved for "villains masquerading as heroes" (of which the original T-Bolts are probably the most famous team example) rather than trying to cover all eras of T-Bolts. When Osborn took control of the team, they weren't really in that Charlatan category anymore.

I would actually use Charlatan on the impostor "heroes" from Dark Avengers ("Hawkeye", "Wolverine", "Ms. Marvel", and "Spider-Man"), but I wouldn't give the team any kind of keyword synergy around it.

As far as building a Criminals/Charlatans thing out of currently existing units... not sure there's a ton you could do there. Clayface kinda has one foot in both worlds, but I don't know that you can really build that into anything too scary-looking. (EDIT: Of course, you're free to try it when the time comes anyhow! Probably won't be as effective as mixing with generalist stuff, though, like you say)

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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

My (admittedly very loose) plan for the Dark Avengers would be to give them soft synergy with Iron Patriot - reward you for taking turns with them via bonding (such as Master Motivator), punish you for putting too many Order Markers on them (letting opponents exploit Chaotic Leadership). But I don't really have any specifics for them outside of Daken-Wolverine. Charlatan would be a good class, though, even if they don't have any specific synergy.

Norman Osborn currently turns Criminals, Thieves, and Assassins into Agents. I could probably slide Charlatans in there (possibly instead of Thieves?) which would be a pretty fun idea.
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Re: The Book of Songbird (Initial Playtesting Phase)

Mac Gargan is definitely on my to-do list, as a Banner/Hulk kind of thing (EDIT: perhaps Phoenix is a better mechanical comparison, since he's currently a one way transformation) (link). I don't have a lot of specific plans yet, but I've been turning over ideas for Ms. Marvel (Karla Sofen) for a while. Trying to come up with a third way to tackle Karla (after Meteorite and Moonstone) is a fun exercise.

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