Age of Annihilation - Backer Trend and Discussion

[IAmBatman]

It's definitely a lot of stuff.

[Master Roshi]

I was surprised by how much content they've already worked on, and if they're already laying out plans for expansions then they've got a big head start on content

[caps]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I'll make you a deal: I won't mention how the campaign could be run differently anymore if you don't mention this is our only chance to get Heroscape back on the shelves anymore. Both have been said plenty. Both are likely true. Neither is going to change anything. This will fund or not fund based on its strength as a campaign and we have very little agency in that overall, so it's best to just wait and see rather than talking in circles.

I will take that deal (or try to, anyways)!

[Hogg]

Originally Posted by caps

Sure, I'm just tired of reading the same criticisms over and over again. Yeah, we get it--there are multiple ways this campaign could be different that would make more sense to us. But it's not different, it is what it is. And what it is is our only chance to get Heroscape back on the shelves at stores and in our homes.

I disagree, being vocal is a legitimate way to get Hasbro to change things. This very afternoon they modified the Ghost Rider Haslab and included a new stretch goal, that just last week they said they wouldn't be doing.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Hogg

I disagree, being vocal is a legitimate way to get Hasbro to change things. This very afternoon they modified the Ghost Rider Haslab and included a new stretch goal, that just last week they said they wouldn't be doing.

Yeah that was my hope when I was being vocal the first day or two. Having been a big kickstarter backer and watcher, basically everything they've done is wrong (The main point being that they haven't shown any gameplay or rules or cards, which means new potential backers are instantly out and you're just relying on old fans).

I want this to succeed, I was hoping that they'd realize the mistakes and fix them. I keep seeing over and over that if this fails it'll be the fault of people who were negative and dragging it down. But Hasbro hasn't really done it properly to begin with (And they could just flip a switch and produce this whenever they feel like it, they're a billion dollar company). It's pretty frustrating that we're all on the same side yet those hoping for better quality to get better results are vilified.

[caps]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Yeah that was my hope when I was being vocal the first day or two. Having been a big kickstarter backer and watcher, basically everything they've done is wrong (The main point being that they haven't shown any gameplay or rules or cards, which means new potential backers are instantly out and you're just relying on old fans).

I want this to succeed, I was hoping that they'd realize the mistakes and fix them. I keep seeing over and over that if this fails it'll be the fault of people who were negative and dragging it down. But Hasbro hasn't really done it properly to begin with (And they could just flip a switch and produce this whenever they feel like it, they're a billion dollar company). It's pretty frustrating that we're all on the same side yet those hoping for better quality to get better results are vilified.

Personally I'm not trying to villify anyone. I think at this point the Avalon Hill team has heard all of our criticism (Encarmine just posted that he's read something like 12k comments from various social media outlets since Saturday) and they'll either do something about it or they won't. But saying the same things over and over isn't going to make that happen, and the negativity might persuade some people to not even back in the first place, making it somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy (yes, I know there are other factors as well, but this is one that individual people can actually control).

EDIT: But regardless of whether any of the above is true, I'm just personally tired of reading the same things over and over

[rudyvalentine]

Originally Posted by Hogg

I disagree, being vocal is a legitimate way to get Hasbro to change things. This very afternoon they modified the Ghost Rider Haslab and included a new stretch goal, that just last week they said they wouldn't be doing.

They very clearly have their ears open to the community. And this thing just started. There is lots of time to listen and respond.

I don’t see the campaign failing because there’s some negative feedback at the launch. I do see it failing if they can’t attract a wider range of support and not just the diehards here.

[AMIS]

Originally Posted by rudyvalentine

They very clearly have their ears open to the community. And this thing just started. There is lots of time to listen and respond.

I don’t see the campaign failing because there’s some negative feedback at the launch. I do see it failing if they can’t attract a wider range of support and not just the diehards here.

It's all about the marketing now...and I haven't seen much but I'm not on many sites since I'm old and not a computer person. I'm sure it's happening I just can't see it.

I've also made the paint point (that's kinda tough to say - kinda fun too) and I'll grumble but I also understand that it's a business decision that can't be changed.

The "if you don't fund it now, well that's the end of your game and your little dog too" attitude annoys me more than anyone individual being vilified. But I get this is probably a fact and the team are all doing what they can to get it backed. AND I've backed it...despite the paint point (that may become my favorite saying for a couple of days - sorry folks!).

Either way I've sent e-mails to folks that I know have played and enjoyed this but couldn't pick it up on the secondary market without getting a second mortgage. It's still about $400 Canadian (shipping and $ conversion) so I'm not sure any of them will back it but we all have a couple of folks we know that may want to get into this at this time. So we should try to market this ourselves as well.

[chas]

Just found this thread. I'm not on any social media, but Finrod, thank you for your service. Right now we just need to get the word out. And all those "savagers" now know about it. There may be lurkers checking it out that are saying to themselves "Hey, wait a minute...I think I'll have a look, and see what the fuss is about." So mission accomplished! That's how it works on BGG too, where I do show up.

[SuperSamyon]

At the very least, Avalon Hill should have an ambassador program where they formally recognize the fans who are going above and beyond to see to it that the game is a success. I took a look at the brainstorming discussion on Discord and its really admirable how much legwork some fans are putting in. Those folks deserve something for their tremendous efforts especially if this doesn't fund.

We have an amazing community and if this isn't a success it won't be because of the fans that's for sure.

[Grishnakh]

Originally Posted by caps

... I'm just personally tired of reading the same things over and over

Well, look out! I haven't chimed in yet! So there! Lol.

But honestly, I agree with you completely. I'm pretty much keeping my opinion to myself anyway.

[orgsbane]

Originally Posted by SuperSamyon

At the very least, Avalon Hill should have an ambassador program where they formally recognize the fans who are going above and beyond to see to it that the game is a success. I took a look at the brainstorming discussion on Discord and its really admirable how much legwork some fans are putting in. Those folks deserve something for their tremendous efforts especially if this doesn't fund.

We have an amazing community and if this isn't a success it won't be because of the fans that's for sure.

It's been really cool to see. I'm still banking on the 'scaper who sent a request to Snoop Dog via Twitter, asking for him to fund the campaign, citing "Snoop Dog hasn't failed me yet"