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Old February 23rd, 2011, 11:41 AM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

Playtest is in. Judge for yourself if this is a problem.

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 11:50 AM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

Sounds fine to me. I'd be okay with dropping that third power. I'm sure he'd be a problem against figures that can't counter him as well, but that's what happens in random drafts.
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Old February 23rd, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

Your playtest confuses me a bit. Against that matchup, isn't moving to lava and grabbing Blob the first thing Beyonder would do? Now he's where he wants to be and can't be moved. Neither defense against movement causes any harm to Beyonder either - so why did he shy away from attempts?

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 12:00 PM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

He did move to lava first thing - but Graviton threw him away from it and then (with Blob's permission) threw Blob into him to stick him away from lava.
Martian Manhunter throwing 8 dice from extreme height made the 2 wounds per OM fairly easy. Also, Beyonder's defensive rolls were not that great for the game overall.
I'm not sure what you mean with your other point ... Graviton's grasp can prevent people from attacking, though. Also, he shied away from some mind control rolls simply because a failed roll (happened several times) is a wasted turn. Psionic Grip and Gravitational Grasp were useful for stopping those he did mind control from taking the hot lava plunge.

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 12:10 PM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

*shrug*

Fair enough. But now it looks like he might be way too weak? Since he may stat up quite a bit in playtesting, would you be willing to check this again after he gets to where he doesn't get spanked like a little girl?

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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

Yeah, I kind of wondered if he was too weak after reading that, too.

If we think he needs some beefing up, some options are to give him range, give him a power that allows for multiple attacks per OM, or simply bump his Life.
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Old February 23rd, 2011, 12:26 PM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

I don't think he needs any beefing up. Don't go just based on a single playtest. Recall that he totally owned a 2000+ point X-Men team on a non-lava map. At 2500 points there are so many factors involved that there's going to be a good deal of swing.
I think what we need to do now is get this guy to additional playtesting and settle on what his cost should be. I think the design is fine at the moment.
It's not every army that will be able to so effectively counter every single thing Beyonder does - and this one had a good deal of dice luck to boot.

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Old February 23rd, 2011, 12:33 PM
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

Also, I failed to mention that the one wound on Blob came from when Beyonder went all Mere Pawns on him and walked him into lava. Had Blob failed to roll over a 10, he would've died instead of taking one wound, and the game might've been totally different.

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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

I wonder if we need several lava map tests?

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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

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I wonder if we need several lava map tests?

~Aldin, toastily
Well the original concern was that he'd be broken on a lava map, right? Do we really need any more tests to confirm that he's not?

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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

I think I am ready at this point to stop theoryscaping and fear mongering about the design, and just have the playtesters give us some real results to add to the already solid results. Thanks for that Bats.
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Re: The Book of Beyonder - VOTE for Playtesting

I'll drop the "theoryscaping and fearmongering" and apologize for expressing concerns about a figure that annhilated 2,000 points of X-Men on a typical map and then got spanked by 2,000 points of hodge podge (Loki held out of the fight) on a favorable map. Sounds like he's ready to go to me.

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