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Old January 25th, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Lucas Retires

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http://www.gadaily.com/index.php/art...-lucas-retires

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Re: Lucas Retires

Good for him for retiring. He was a visionary, in his time.

Sadly, the success of Star Wars doomed Hollywood to artistic mediocrity, ending the best years of the silver screen, but if it hadn't been Star Wars it would have been some other fairy tale. So I don't blame him.

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Re: Lucas Retires

Yeah, well Micheal Jordan and Brett Favre retired......several times.

C'mon! he even alludes to prequels and sequels for Red Tails.

Do we really think a control freak like Lucas is just going to sit back and let someone else run the awesome businesses he has created? No way.

He isn't retiring...he is just, once again, disenchanted with the corporate machine that is Hollywood.

So he is taking his ball and going home....at least for the present.

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Re: Lucas Retires

Lucas makes more money from other people using his companies than he does making his own movies.

Lucas' problem is that he is a geek and wants to make things more geeky by using all of this new technology that wasn't available to him back when he was an innovator. In other words he would like to spend $1 million dollars to make the pores on a Dewback open and close in super HD because it adds to the realism of the creature even if it adds nothing to the film itself.
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Good for him for retiring. He was a visionary, in his time.

Sadly, the success of Star Wars doomed Hollywood to artistic mediocrity, ending the best years of the silver screen, but if it hadn't been Star Wars it would have been some other fairy tale. So I don't blame him.
Actually, this is the opposite of what I've heard from many movie historians. Star Wars came during a time when the silver screen was headed toward a darker and less hopeful future, almost nihilistic. If not for the classic good vs. evil with good triumphing, then where would we be?

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Lucas makes more money from other people using his companies than he does making his own movies.

Lucas' problem is that he is a geek and wants to make things more geeky by using all of this new technology that wasn't available to him back when he was an innovator. In other words he would like to spend $1 million dollars to make the pores on a Dewback open and close in super HD because it adds to the realism of the creature even if it adds nothing to the film itself.
That's the stuff I didn't mind him doing. The updated special effects were awesome. It's when he started tinkering with story lines that he went astray, IMO. Han shot first. Darth Vader didn't yell anything before picking up the Emperor and tossing him.


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Good for him for retiring. He was a visionary, in his time.

Sadly, the success of Star Wars doomed Hollywood to artistic mediocrity, ending the best years of the silver screen, but if it hadn't been Star Wars it would have been some other fairy tale. So I don't blame him.
Actually, this is the opposite of what I've heard from many movie historians. Star Wars came during a time when the silver screen was headed toward a darker and less hopeful future, almost nihilistic. If not for the classic good vs. evil with good triumphing, then where would we be?
Yes, nihilistic.

The Godfather
Dog Day Afternoon
Rocky
The French Connection
Taxi Driver
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Jaws
The Return of the Pink Panther
The Godfather 2
Blazing Saddles

I'll grant you, ET, that there was a darker world view in the films of the mid-70s.

But good lord, they knew how to make films.

The "good thumping evil" fairy tales have dominated Hollywood ever since, with nice clean melodrama, all black and white and no shades of gray, because that's what sells. Robert Altmans The Player satirizes this precise issue, for those who have seen it.

Star Wars -> The Natural -> Pretty Woman, where the story must have heroes and villains, even if you must torture the source material to get them, as they did for those two movies.

James Cameron is not what I would consider a maestro, despite his commercial success, but one thing he knows is this: If you touch the live wire of sacrificing a hero, you will have a deeply emotional and satisfying film at the end, as long as your heroine survives.

These are tropes. The rhythm section stays the same in film after film, but the melody changes a little and it still works, commercially.

It's sad.

There is a place for movies like that, and there is a surviving undercurrent of movies from other artistic directions (The Descendants is an excellent recent example) but mostly we see the same small handful of stories over and over, with different window dressing. I'm fine with fairy tales being part of the mix. But I don't eat hamburgers for dinner every single night, and I don't want to.

> If not for the classic good vs. evil with good triumphing, then
> where would we be?
I liked Unforgiven, hardly a good vs. evil with good triumphing. Sure, it came out in 1992.... But the script dated from 1976. Back when you could dream of making movies like that, even if you weren't Clint Eastwood.

Didn't expect that, did you, ET?

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Re: Lucas Retires

I realized from all the posts that Star Wars is not a movie anymore to him, it is a revenue generating hobby. He can retire from making movies professionally, but he doesn't have to give up his hobby, which is tinkering with the Star Wars movies (or any other property he owns). He makes his changes for him, but we happen to buy them for us...great hobby.

He may retire from making movies professionally, but he will not give up his hobby of making films and selling them...

I am waiting for Willow in 3D with all of the costumes created in CG and 25 minutes of footage to "tell the rest of the story. I have seen the previews, Madmartigan is replaced with a woman, and Sorsha is an ocelot.

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Willow is not his film...it's Ron Howard's
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He may retire from making movies professionally, but he will not give up his hobby of making films and selling them...
Except that isn't what he said:
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“I’m retiring. I’m moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff,”
I say again: He is just upset over the struggle he had to go through with the studios to get Red Tails done and promoted. Basically, he felt since he is George Lucas, they should have just put up the money and promoted the film..they didn't, and now he is being a titty baby.

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Yes, nihilistic.
...lots of good stuff...
Didn't expect that, did you, ET?
Actually, I'm impressed. I thought you might deny the whole thing. I'm glad to see we are on the same page in everything except one minor detail. I, personally, want the good vs. evil with good triumphing pretty much all the time. If I wanted to see otherwise, I could just look at the real world. For me, movies are about an escape into a different place. For this same reason, I don't really want to watch "reality" TV (although, I would argue that it is hardly reality in any way).

So, I agree with you, except on that most foundational level.

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