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Iíd be wary labelling it as already decided when 2 of your playtesters specifically mentioned they werenít fans, along with several other people.
Changing it would require extra playtesting at a late phase, and as I've explained, it isn't just about this design, it's about Macbeth as well. I would not be okay changing it now.


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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

What’s so important about it and what are the alternatives? Other means should not require additional playtesting.
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

Last time I remember the conversation happening the tone was "oh that general implementation works, we'll figure out the specifics later" but I may have missed out on some stuff while on vacation. I'd like to see it polled out at least, if it hasn't been yet.
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What’s so important about it and what are the alternatives? Other means should not require additional playtesting.
I assume going back to the 'place adjacent to a friendly figure' system, which I'm specifically avoiding here since I like the theme and strategy this imparts.

Using Nitro's system would be fine. Using the figure to mark it out raises a a whole host of questions I don't feel like answering.


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Last time I remember the conversation happening the tone was "oh that general implementation works, we'll figure out the specifics later" but I may have missed out on some stuff while on vacation. I'd like to see it polled out at least, if it hasn't been yet.

I'm fine still working out the specifics, definitely want to keep the general implementation.


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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

Yeah, no need for new testing (unless people are really not into it and want to upset the whole thing at this point, but I don't think that's the majority). Just marker vs. Figure vs. "Fake marker" vs. ???
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

After looking at it, just use the Nitro approach. I have no idea what your Macbeth plans are or needs, but for this, there’s no reason she can’t be placed in the general area of where she was destroyed. It’s a standard at this point that figures being revived don’t really adhere to concrete strict logic on where they died, which is certainly ok.
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

I agree the Nitro method seems to be the best here.
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

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After looking at it, just use the Nitro approach. I have no idea what your Macbeth plans are or needs, but for this, thereís no reason she canít be placed in the general area of where she was destroyed. Itís a standard at this point that figures being revived donít really adhere to concrete strict logic on where they died, which is certainly ok.
I'm okay with this. Honestly don't understand the issue with the named marker approach, but it's one of those cases where I just plain don't care enough.


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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

I don't think it's the named marker, it's placing and leaving it on the map that's odd.
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

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I don't think it's the named marker, it's placing and leaving it on the map that's odd.
Still not seeing the issue. You're going to be doing that anyway, even if it's not spelled out on the card, because that's the only way to reasonably remember where she died.
As I said though, this is the point where I actually really don't care.


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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

We've done this before with Nitro, no reason to do it differently than we did there.
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Re: The Book of Demona - Vote for Final Editing.

The reason that marker on the battlefield doesn't sit well with me is that there's now suddenly an object on the field that... exists. We now have to be aware of it. It's placed there by rules baggage. What happens if someone steps on it, what if Galactus wants to eat it, what if, so on, so forth. The answer to most of these is "nothing, it's just to remember where she was, it makes no mechanical difference," but the fact of it existing in the rules is a little troublesome.

Here's a quick rewrite of her powers, mostly just trimming some redundant text. I switched the two parts of her first one, the spell casting oddness and the "messing with an opponent" stuff. Reads better to me that way, but I can go in the other direction if people prefer - all just makes for cleaner reading for me.

ARCANE PLOT
Once per game, Demona may cast a Unique Spell as though she had the Magical Defense special power. Immediately before that spell is cast, you may choose an opponent’s Unique Hero. That opponent must move at least as many unrevealed Order Markers to the chosen Hero's card as there are Order Markers on this card, up to a maximum of three. While Demona is casting a Spell, whenever a special power on an Army Card or glyph refers to the Magical Defense special power, it refers to this special power as well, and figures with the Blind Warrior special power are not affected.

IMMORTAL HATRED
At the start of each round, if an opponent controls at least one Human, you may add 2 to your initiative roll for each Order Marker on this card. Before rolling for initiative, if Demona is destroyed, you may roll the twenty-sided die. If you roll 15 or higher, place her on any empty space within one space of her previous placement and remove all but 3 Wound Markers from this Army Card.
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