The Book of Casual Rule: Knockback

[Gurei-Ornery]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

2) I think some folks are/were making the mistake of interpreting based on theme, not the mechanics themselves. It's always good to look at mechanics first, then interpret how it shows theme later (fwiw, if you get knocked hard into a body of water deep enough to stop your easy movement, you're probably going to have breathing trouble for a bit, and might sustain "damage").

Doesn't water change the mechanic of falling damage?

[Hahma]

Yes, but that was written into the original rules and related to falling damage specifically.

So for this situation with KB, wouldn't it have to be added to the rules for KB to be applied to KB? That's if it is desired to act like water is to falling damage.

KB and falling damage are different, as there are specific provisions for each in each, such as various heights fallen from and superstrength for falling damage rules, and getting KB into other figures, elevation changes etc. for KB rules.

[Gurei-Ornery]

Originally Posted by Hahma

Yes, but that was written into the original rules and related to falling damage specifically.

So for this situation with KB, wouldn't it have to be added to the rules for KB to be applied to KB? That's if it is desired to act like water is to falling damage.

KB and falling damage are different, as there are specific provisions for each in each, such as various heights fallen from and superstrength for falling damage rules, and getting KB into other figures, elevation changes etc. for KB rules.

My point was only that water has changed a mechanic officially before. I ultimately don't care and am not asking for a change because we always play what makes sense to us. We add in @Grishnakh 's ITF rules sometimes also, so we are pretty fluid with our rules.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Gurei-Ornery

My point was only that water has changed a mechanic officially before. I ultimately don't care and am not asking for a change because we always play what makes sense to us. We add in @Grishnakh 's ITF rules sometimes also, so we are pretty fluid with our rules.

Yeah, makes sense G-O.

[Midgieboy3]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

After reading all this:

1) I concur with the ruling. Since water stops movement, if you are supposed to be KB'd 3 spaces and space 2 lands you in water, you would roll for KB damage.

2) House rule it if you would prefer the have the figure skip like a stone over adjacent water spaces.

3) I thought we were not using optional knockback rules in playtests.

I've only done a few it will not happen again. I didn't know. I would play with Knock Back because I tried a lava map, and for me it actually gives a good reason(to me) for the card to have super strength.

Also if someone could clear this up for me this is what started this. 1 if a figure was Knocked Back 1 space and there was nothing in its way the player receivers no damage.(but would you roll for disengagement) 2 if your figure gets knocked into another figure they both receive Knock Back damage? 3 you can only get Knock Back Damage if you Can't move the whole amount of your. Knock Back?

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Midgieboy3

I've only done a few it will not happen again. I didn't know. I would play with Knock Back because I tried a lava map, and for me it actually gives a good reason(to me) for the card to have super strength.

The ruling is if you use a special rule for part of a playtest, use it for the whole thing.

[SirGalahad]

Originally Posted by Midgieboy3

I've only done a few it will not happen again. I didn't know. I would play with Knock Back because I tried a lava map, and for me it actually gives a good reason(to me) for the card to have super strength.

Also if someone could clear this up for me this is what started this. 1 if a figure was Knocked Back 1 space and there was nothing in its way the player receivers no damage.(but would you roll for disengagement) 2 if your figure gets knocked into another figure they both receive Knock Back damage? 3 you can only get Knock Back Damage if you Can't move the whole amount of your. Knock Back?

1. Correct. If the figure can move the required spaces, there is no roll for Knockback damage.
2. If the movement is prevented, roll one unblockable die against each figure.
3. Figures moved by Knockback do not take any leaving engagement attacks (that's written in the Movement section).

[Midgieboy3]

Originally Posted by SirGalahad

1. Correct. If the figure can move the required spaces, there is no roll for Knockback damage.
2. If the movement is prevented, roll one unblockable die against each figure.
3. Figures moved by Knockback do not take any leaving engagement attacks (that's written in the Movement section).

Ok thanks, so did the core of this group decide if you fly across water or do you stop and take damage. Like you have said the rules would say yes because of stop of movement. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the help.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Midgieboy3

Ok thanks, so did the core of this group decide if you fly across water or do you stop and take damage. Like you have said the rules would say yes because of stop of movement. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the help.

The ruling is it stops your movement, so if it preemptively ends your KB movement you roll for KB damage.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Gurei-Ornery

Doesn't water change the mechanic of falling damage?

Water interacts with falling damage in a specific way outlined in those rules, yes. And it interacts differently in these ones.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Water interacts with falling damage in a specific way outlined in those rules, yes. And it interacts differently in these ones.

"These ones" ?

For reals?

[IAmBatman]

These optional knockback rules, yes .... Not sure I follow what you're saying, Hambone.