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Old June 22nd, 2020, 11:25 AM
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Yeah, the idea is that it’s essentially a one-time get out of jail free card. They do a lot of bait-and-switch tricks where she pretends to be Constantine then socks an enemy in the face with a shapeshift fist.
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Drop the line about not taking any damage then, but put in a line about no LEA on the switch. The no damage line made me think the attack was ignored completely. Since the switch occurs before def. dice are rolled, it's clear the first figure isn't going to be taking any damage from the hit. Just clarify that she has to roll def. dice after the switch.
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Old June 23rd, 2020, 10:11 AM
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

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Drop the line about not taking any damage then, but put in a line about no LEA on the switch. The no damage line made me think the attack was ignored completely. Since the switch occurs before def. dice are rolled, it's clear the first figure isn't going to be taking any damage from the hit. Just clarify that she has to roll def. dice after the switch.
No, sorry, the intent is that neither of them take damage. I’ll update it to make it more clear.
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Old June 23rd, 2020, 10:18 AM
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

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SPECIES = PLANT ELEMENTAL
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CREATURE
PERSONALITY = DETERMINED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

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Update of one of LV’s first drafts.

Idea here is to make a general modern Swamp Thing, but also give him some interplay with some JLD members, like Black Orchid and Frankenstein.

Grasping Vines is just a brainstorm, but it would be nice to have a short ability like that (if possble) that would give him a Constantine tie and something to do other than to punch and offer defense boosts.

LV’s original draft should be linked in the OP for comparison.
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

I think the current setup encourages him to be a bit too suicidal a play style. Maps with those terrain features you can play him normal, but sans those you want to play him suicidal and pod up around the tree(s) placed.
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Is that a particularly bad thing? Swamp Thing charging in, getting torn apart, then rebuilding while the rest of the team does their thing doesn’t feel off to me.

I’d be more worried if the Avatar boost was so good that it merited purposefully making poor decisions just to kill him off, but I really don’t feel like it is. He’s a weaker and more situational Invisible Woman basically, and each plant he places means he revives one less time.

I dunno, are you seeing something I’m not? Stat line is totally negotiable, if being more of a bruiser would help. I think modern ST should maybe be low 300s? He’s
definitely been more powerful than that, but 300-330 feels like a good “on an average day” range.
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Drop the line about not taking any damage then, but put in a line about no LEA on the switch. The no damage line made me think the attack was ignored completely. Since the switch occurs before def. dice are rolled, it's clear the first figure isn't going to be taking any damage from the hit. Just clarify that she has to roll def. dice after the switch.
No, sorry, the intent is that neither of them take damage. I’ll update it to make it more clear.

I think that may be too much then when combined with John Constantine. He's already got a d20 roll power that prevents you from attacking him at all, if you get by that and get to roll attack dice, to have your attack completely ignored by a power on her card would be really frustrating.
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Drop the line about not taking any damage then, but put in a line about no LEA on the switch. The no damage line made me think the attack was ignored completely. Since the switch occurs before def. dice are rolled, it's clear the first figure isn't going to be taking any damage from the hit. Just clarify that she has to roll def. dice after the switch.
No, sorry, the intent is that neither of them take damage. I’ll update it to make it more clear.

I think that may be too much then when combined with John Constantine. He's already got a d20 roll power that prevents you from attacking him at all, if you get by that and get to roll attack dice, to have your attack completely ignored by a power on her card would be really frustrating.
That may well be a valid point. Constantine has one of the better D20 dodge powers in the game, so being able to block the enemy like that could definitely be a source of frustration.
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Is that a particularly bad thing? Swamp Thing charging in, getting torn apart, then rebuilding while the rest of the team does their thing doesn’t feel off to me.
He's really not a brash bruiser, so yeah the charge him in and get him killed while everyone else comes in is not really on theme. He's a Protector first and foremost, and in at least the second rendition of the book he's more a begrudging participant than anything else. Hyper aggressive definitely isn't his MO.
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Reluctant Hero?

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Could the JLD use a OM save unit?
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Spike had a protector power? Or Angel?
Maybe something like that.
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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming

Well Avatar of the Green does encourage you to use him as a defensive piece at least.

Should we use Evergreen Tree Destructible Objects there?

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