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Re: Prop 8 Prevails in California -- Gay Marriage Discussion

It was truely a sad day when cali said yes to 8, I really hate when people use religion to justify discrimination for what should be a human right in America United, The right for anyone to marry should be writtin for all of the united states as follows One consenting human adult of leagal national age bonding with any one other consenting human adult of leagal national age at one time not allowing for any multiple marrages. it would be so simple for the government to do this as a law for all humans in america. Some people may not remember but in this country not more than a hundred years or so ago we used the bible to justify slavery and to keep those slaves from marrying because they were not citizens or even human they were property. Then when we freed those slaves the religious people of this nation used the bible to make laws saying people who were white could not marry people who were black, no race mixing, (for those who dont know the jews were told not to do this by thier god, old testament), the bible was also used to keep women from voting and running things in the political arenas because of verses that stated for women to be quiet in the church and subserviant to men. This is some examples of how religious people have trampled on the constition with using the bible to justify thier agendas. Our for fathers wrote the constition seperating church and state to keep our country free from religous nut jobs who can and will use thier interpretation of a mytholagical book written by men for thier own gains and ways to control and subjugate others. The funniest thing is it also states in the bible that thier god controls who is leader of all the countries of the world and to trust in him, so when religious groups get involved in politics they are in fact stating they have no faith in thier god! And for the record Christianity was the mandatory religion when god let rome fall! Wake up America laws should be based on common sense and equal freedom for every american, not on religious fascism, and one last note Hitler was a good christian in the eyes of his religious leaders as well!
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just wanted to reply i am cavebehrs partner and i served in the air force and would do so proudly again no matter what conflict we are in and most of the gay men and women in the service will do the same thing.
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Yes, it does. You know why? Because it's not ultimately about making gays comfortable, it's about giving them the same legal protections. If they are denied the rights that are given to hetero couples, they are being shunted into a second class citizen status. Whereas if they are granted the same protections, then the ultimate evil in your perception seems to be that it makes some people uncomfortable. That seems to be the greatest harm you've managed to come up with: "It makes me uncomfortable." That's simply not good enough.
Apparently it is, when the Supreme Court moves that a 10 commandments statue be removed from public property...was the 10 commandment statue HURTING anyone??? Only if it fell on someone. Same argument, no? Here's the deal - the NORM, what 90%+ or so of the world sees as the RIGHT THING is marriage between a woman and a man. Without some union of male and female, the species would cease to exist. It has been this way for centuries, if not millenia. It is a NEW right for people to want to marry the same sex. There is no 'second class citizen' aspect to this - they have the EXACT SAME RIGHTS as I do - to marry one of the other sex. Just because you WANT to be able to marry a man doesn't mean that it's in some way equal, because it's NOT. It's against the norm of the culture in the entire world, and it's a right that only a very few will get to excercise.


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Not comfortable. Legally protected the same as you.
THEY ALREADY ARE!!!! They can marry just the same as I can. The fact that they want to marry someone of the same sex is NOT equal protection, it's a new protection for a small populace. If I want to marry 4 women, I can't, can I? Why not? Well if you guys want to get married to other guys why can't I have 4 wives? Hell, most religions FROWN on homosexuality and even some of THOSE are good with bigamy!!!!

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The government isn't proposing teaching anything. Nowhere in all of this has it been proposed that homosexuality be taught by any government institution. What's being fought for is simple legal protections. Look at it this way: during Prohibition, alcohol was illegal. Now it's legal. Where in the schools is it taught that our children should become alcoholics? As a matter of fact, I remember pretty clearly my teachers expounding at length about the inherent physical dangers of imbibing alcohol. Simply because the government protects your right to engage in an activity, doesn't mean that it's endorsing the activity, and it certainly doesn't mean it will be taught in the schools.
Try getting your news outside of the usual sources. In Massachussets the first thing to change after they changed the laws on gay marriage was to change the education process. Here's some proof...
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/m...hool-education
http://www.kget.com/news/local/story...c-cdb181de87f8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puI4pfRB0w0

The gay agenda will absolutely shape the schools.
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I still don't understand why you think it matters if it's a choice or not.
Then you're blinded by your desires. Let's put this into perspective. Would you favor people being allowed to smoke crack legally? How about getting married to 20-30 people in a a group marriage? What about 4? All of these are CHOICES, same as it's a choice to want to be with someone of the same sex. None of the above are currently allowed either....

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Let's go back to the examples. A person chooses to wear silly pants. Silly pants are frowned upon by society. Does this mean that we don't allow this person to have children, because he might expose them to ridicule? No. That's preposterous.
What the F does this have to do with anything? The person with Silly Pants can certainly adopt, just the same as anyone else. Here's the REAL analogy - let's say the person with silly pants wants to get SPECIAL RIGHTS that stops people from NOT employing them because they wear silly pants. Let's say he goes to a factory who has a dress code, and he says that he can wear the silly pants whenever he wants because he should be allowed to 'exxxxpreeeeessss' himself. Does this mean that his CHOICE should be protected? Hell no. This guy's a moron, and he needs to accept that all his choices may not be protected by law simply because he WANTS to do whatever he wants.

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If a person's choices aren't actively harmful to the rest of society, in a way other than "That icks me out," then you can't limit their legal rights.
We agree here, but it depends on what society deems harmful. And the legislature certainly CAN limit their legal rights, and has done so hundreds of thousands of times. I can't go down to the store and buy a hand grenade, can I? I'd really like one, but I can't, because it's been legislated that it's bad for society.

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Or, we could go to an even better example: the case of Loving v. Virginia. This was the case the determined that if blacks and whites wanted to get married, the government didn't have the right to prevent that. Sound at all familiar? Now, you may say that the people involved were born black and white, and therefore it's different. However, they did choose to marry outside their race. They were seeking a new, highly controversial, legal right-- the right to choose who they married, without the government punishing them for their choices. By your argument, it seems that they ought to have chosen not to marry a person of a different race, because the majority of society did not approve of their mixed marriage.
The majority opinion cannot hold sway over minorities' legal rights simply for reasons of aesthetic preference. That way lies madness.
It's always the same BS arguments....I hear this so often it's ridiculous...the black person and white person are that way because God or Amoebas made them that way. Simple as that. A gay person chooses to go AGAINST human nature, the want to reproduce, and therein lies the difference. This is not an issue of bigotry, at least in my mind, this is an issue of CHOICES, and what people at large will allow to become a viable CHOICE.

For me, it all comes down to this: The pro-GR folks say that they just want the same rights and recognition as other people, to be accepted. If they can get married, do you think it will change the acceptance? People will still look away in disgust, people will still whisper 'fag', and nothing will change. People will still teach their kids that it's wrong, sinful, or whatever they believe.

Oh, and in the US, the majority opinion pretty much runs ****. Remember that whole 2/3 vote for an amendment change? Remember that 51% vote for legislation, 2/3 to override veto? That's how it is here, and if that's not to your liking, well, petition someone or something.....

And Grungebob, brother, I believe that kids will do what they see. If you have a kid whose being taught it's ok for Jimmy to marry Johnny, games of "Doctor" will change over time, and therein lies the quandry. Look at cursing. 40 years ago it was wholly unacceptable for people to curse in public, now I can't go anywhere but church to not hear cursing. Kids start cursing at a young age now because they are exposed to it all the time.
30 years ago porn was a backdoor stigmatized thing, now we have it everywhere, on TV, all over the place. We now have an alarming rate of out-of-wedlock children, premarital sex, and STDs. 40 years ago we never had ultraviolent video games and movies. Now we have school campus shootings all the time, kids beating each other to death and YouTubing it....Kids do what they see, and if they think that 'everyone's doing it' then they will emulate it. Same with homosexuality. If it's plugged into their little mushbrains that "Bob and Tom Get Married" is an acceptable choice then a larger percentage of people will choose to be gay. At the end of the day, men like the 'tight hole' regardless of what it's attached to when it comes to sex (ie face, front or back) and if homosexuality was far more open and celebrated I can absolutely see younger boys who are afraid of girls because of 'funny feelings' trying out boys instead because it's safer and less foreign to them than girls. I think, really, that is what's driving this whole mess - the fear that their son will become gay.

Me, I think they should either federally allow it, or federally disallow it; this whole long, drawn-out slow drain is just causing more angst in the community than it's worth.

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I have a really difficult time entering into these discussions beyond asking a question here and there or attempting to correct a misconception or two (like the idea that the separation of church and state exists in the constitution somewhere). Mostly, I think that as people we tend to place value judgments on things and have a difficult time evaluating anything outside of the way we perceive it.

Look at just the different ideas in this thread for whether or not homosexuality is genetic. You have the entire spectrum from yes to no to Rev's concept (with which I happen to agree) that there is a spectrum along which people may be more or less inclined toward it. Now how am I supposed to have a productive discussion on whether there are rights to be protected when we can't even agree on what homosexuality is?

I am a Christian and believe the Bible to be the true revelation of God. How can I productively come to an understanding with someone who starts the conversation by telling me they have no respect for me because of that? Conversely, if I acted in a way that indicated I didn't respect Atheists how could I come to an understanding with an Atheist?

I guess I don't really expect anything positive to come from this post. I haven't advanced an argument or supported a point of view. Mostly, I guess I just wanted to say that I like posters in this thread who are supporting differing views and it can be hard watching some of the less respectful things being said.

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I think something positive came from your post, Aldin. I actually enjoyed reading it, which is a small thing, but a positive one, I hope.
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And Grungebob, brother, I believe that kids will do what they see. If you have a kid whose being taught it's ok for Jimmy to marry Johnny, games of "Doctor" will change over time, and therein lies the quandry. Look at cursing.
I really think you're way off. Comparing cursing with being gay?

Let me share a stat with you. I can't find the link but I remember reading that over 40% of young kids 'experiment' when they are young with the same sex? This was already happening before gays even starting coming out of the closet.

Just because you know something as a kid doesn't mean you're going to do it. I thought watching Jerry kick Tom's ass was pretty entertaining but I didn't beat up my cat. You're trying to make homosexuality into a decision, and even though the stat above proves that a lot of kids dabble into homosexuality out of curiousity, only a small percentage of those that dabble actually end up making it their lifestyle in the end. And, I feel, those kids were already "made" that way.

Smoking, drinking, and drug use at ANY age is such a bigger concern for me as a parent. "Turning gay" is not a concern at all.

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I think something positive came from your post, Aldin. I actually enjoyed reading it, which is a small thing, but a positive one, I hope.
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And Grungebob, brother, I believe that kids will do what they see. If you have a kid whose being taught it's ok for Jimmy to marry Johnny, games of "Doctor" will change over time, and therein lies the quandry. Look at cursing. 40 years ago it was wholly unacceptable for people to curse in public, now I can't go anywhere but church to not hear cursing. Kids start cursing at a young age now because they are exposed to it all the time.
30 years ago porn was a backdoor stigmatized thing, now we have it everywhere, on TV, all over the place. We now have an alarming rate of out-of-wedlock children, premarital sex, and STDs. 40 years ago we never had ultraviolent video games and movies. Now we have school campus shootings all the time, kids beating each other to death and YouTubing it....Kids do what they see, and if they think that 'everyone's doing it' then they will emulate it. Same with homosexuality. If it's plugged into their little mushbrains that "Bob and Tom Get Married" is an acceptable choice then a larger percentage of people will choose to be gay. At the end of the day, men like the 'tight hole' regardless of what it's attached to when it comes to sex (ie face, front or back) and if homosexuality was far more open and celebrated I can absolutely see younger boys who are afraid of girls because of 'funny feelings' trying out boys instead because it's safer and less foreign to them than girls. I think, really, that is what's driving this whole mess - the fear that their son will become gay.

Me, I think they should either federally allow it, or federally disallow it; this whole long, drawn-out slow drain is just causing more angst in the community than it's worth.
That's preposterous. It's like saying that heterosexuality is a choice. Listen, we are not straight because we choose to be, we are straight because women are so freakin good lookin to us that the notion of anything else is not only ridiculous, it's absurd.

I assume that homosexuals have that same passion but for their own gender. It makes no sense to me, but I don't see any harm in what they are doing, nor in our society offering acceptance.


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I am a Christian and believe the Bible to be the true revelation of God. How can I productively come to an understanding with someone who starts the conversation by telling me they have no respect for me because of that? Conversely, if I acted in a way that indicated I didn't respect Atheists how could I come to an understanding with an Atheist?
Aldin --

I started the conversation but I never had the intention nor said that I had no respect for Christians. I apologize if that was somehow inferred. I was raised a Christian and am still a strong one today. I simply argued in the first post that regardless of every factor, how can we discriminate against such a large group of people so openly?

I know that being in support of gay marriage and being a Christian puts me into a small boat, but as I posted earlier, I had a terrific pastor that pushed for an open door in his church. I just can't picture Jesus not letting someone into his house or being given less on their plate. That was the main motivation for the thread. Seeing the rights that gays get under a civil union compared to those under a marriage is unfair to me.

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Freedom is NOT the opposite of restriction, it is the abscence of restriction.

Freedom in the US has restrictions while remaining freedoms - ie. you can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, but you still have 1st amendment rights.

Gulp, you talk about freedoms, but what about the freedoms of the people who would be forced to accept public schools teaching children that homosexuality is OK and a 'valid lifestyle choice" when they vehemently disagree and see it as disgusting, immoral, or are otherwise opposed to it? Are their rights, and the rights of their children less valuable than the rights of the homosexual folks who wish to be granted these special rights?

It's a really tough pickle, methinks. The problem with the whole thing is that this reaches into people's HOMES. There are very few things people will get as riled up about as interference in the moral teachings of parents to children. On one side you have the want of gays to marry, but on the other you have people who don't want to deal with:
A. Teachers undermining home morals
B. Parents undermining school discipline while disagreeing with teachers
C. Teachers undermining parents by treating them as closed-minded.

It seems to me that the current climate will not allow for homosexuals to marry.

I would also note some good news for the pro-SSM side: This morning I actually read the text of the CA constitution and it states that, "Only a marriage between a man and a woman will be recognized in California", and thus it does indeed disallow the RECOGNITION of the marriages in CA, but not the marriage itself. A small victory for the same-sex side, I think!
It's obvious that some, probably most, gay people are just gay. These people should not be forced to live according to someone else's version of life. They didn't choose it. The concept that someone else even have an actionable opinion in how these people are living their lives--as long as they're not hurting someone else--is absurd. If that person wants to tell his children that those people are bad because the Bible (religion) tells him so, then, while I find it morally reprehensible, that is between him and his family. If he takes the next step and says that teachers are supposed to tell children in schools that all people are straight, then once again, wow.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding our starting point. I am assuming that when we talk about gays, we are referring to people who are just attracted to the opposite sex naturally, whether by nurture or nature. Not some random guy that gets meth'd up and decides to hump Ronnie. These are normal people that just prefer their own sex. The only things suggesting that these people are living wrong or abnormally is a collection of ancient religious texts, not science or psychology. If you believe in those texts, you can act upon it and do nice things for homeless people. You can worship how you want UP TO THE POINT where you try to make nonbelievers people behave a certain way.

The teachers should teach the evidence. The evidence is clear that these people are at worst just mentally not "normal". (Not something I believe, obviously). We let people who are not normal live how they want as long as they aren't hurting others. And no one here has presented any evidence that anyone is being harmed here. We don't let teachers tell kids that the Home Economics teacher is a weirdo because it's not fair to the kids' learning and it's not fair to the 'weirdo'.

If someone has a problem, they can home school their kid or just do it the old fashioned way and undermine their kid's future by saying, 'You can't trust teachers!'

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Re: Prop 8 Prevails in California -- Gay Marriage Discussion

I certainly wouldn't say it's preposterous, GB, or I wouldn't have raised the point.

Let's take a little stroll down this road....

Let's face it. Women are very attractive to look at, much moreso than men. Gay or Straight, people just appreciating beauty is what it is, and I think that by and large women are more attractive than men, from a purely aesthetic point of view.

That being said, you want to boink women not only because of the obvious attraction, but because you're both wired that way and predisposed to it. Your culture taught you that girls were yummy and you should go out and seek the yumminess.

If for whatever reason the culture were to tell you that boys AND girls are equally yummy, and perhaps you had a rough relationship with your mom or were scared of relationships with women, you would CULTURALLY be predisposed to want to seek out a male mate, even though it is going against your hard-wiring in the noggin.

Getting past our animal nature is one of the characteristics of making us human - at some point we've all had to get past our hard-wired responses of anger, hate, lust, and take the culturally programmed and acceptable road.

All I am saying is that if you provide the OPTION, with equal time and a level playing field there WILL be a larger probability that more children will decide to lead homosexual lifestyles.

I cited a large list of things that influence children and goes against the grain, yet children DO WHAT THEY SEE, and therefore I stand by my hypothesis.

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And Gulp, you really should stop bringing the Bible into the conversation...did it occur to you that people might find it objectionable for their own reasons, and not because they're simply sheeple following along what their particular Codex of Ultimate Wisdom and Morality tells them to?

It cheapens the debate to simply classify anyone who opposes same-sex marriage as some religious zealot.

I see your point on education, but I just think they should leave it with 'different than most people' not better, worse, normal, abnormal...there's too many labels as is.

And remember, I am not on the anti- side, nor am I on the pro- side. I just enjoy the debate and seeing how people view things....

BUT, for the sake of full disclosure, I will lay out exactly where I stand...

I think homosexuality is absolutely repulsive. I hate that I have seen WAY too many gay couples, man and woman, in Gay Pride parades and rallies all over CA and it sickens me. It has nothing to do with religious conviction or moral/immoral, it is a physical pain to see that and it disgusts me. I simply cannot fathom in any way why a man would want to put his junk in another person's rectum, or be on the receiving end. It's simply wrong, and nasty. Same thing with hetero couples who do that.....nasty. I'm all for freaky sex, but when poo-poo is involved, that's where I take my leave.

THAT BEING SAID, I believe that the government should leave us all the hell alone to enjoy our lives as we see fit, and ESPECIALLY when it comes to truths of conscience like marriage, religion, et. cetera they have no business telling us what/who we can love or be with. As much as I truly despise homosexual acts and activities I absolutely agree that the government has no right to tell them it's wrong in any way shape or form.

How can a government that's killing thousands of people a day, holds 25% of the worlds prisoners, and sends troops to battle underequipped in a war that was never even declared by congress have the moral authority to tell a gay guy that it's not cool to be gay. Horse-apples.

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