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Re: The Book of Grimnak
I think this is the standard champion to bond with the orcs, particularly the heavies. His squad munching abilities are pretty essential to allow the gruts to break through.
Also, I think the T-Rex should be known as Chompy, not the figure entirely. My |
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
I know that I should know this but how does adjacency work when you are next to a figure but it is on a space higher than you? Are you still considered adjacent or do you actually have to be on the same level?
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
Although he synergizes well with blades and heavies, he is still cost 120 points and can be killed by cheaper figure very quickly. His chomp power has a 20% chance of success which is low if you are trying to use him as a hero killer. Grimnak Grins as a single figure has very liitle go for him except being huge and chomp. He is double base with 5 movement so he moves incredibly slow. He has 2 attack >D so he has a 50% chance to roll ONE skull. His defense will keep him alive longer than most troops who have the average of 3 Defense. He has the average life of 5 so he won't last any longer in that point. So after all this what I'm going to ask is why is he an A on the rankings? No offense to the people who chose his ranking.
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1) Chomp can automatically destroy a squad figure. High cost figures like a Minion of Utgar or Sentinel of Jandar don't get to roll their high defense dice - they are just devoured. After the Chomp, Grimnak still gets an attack of 2 .. so essentially he is a double-attack figure. And then there is the fact that he can chomp heroes : ) 2) After Grimnak's double-attack, he bonds with two different types of Grut squads - both of which have 4 figures. That means for 1 order marker on either the Blade or Heavy Gruts, you are getting 6 'attacks.' 6 attacks per OM is nearly unmatched in Classic. 3) Adding +1 attack and +1 defense to the Orc Warriors is great. As a double-space figure that gives more potential spaces to provide his bonus. |
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I don't make the rankings but...
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Also keep in mind that blade gruts are 40 points and arguably undercosted, and Heavy Gruts (or Blades) also have a very cheap 50 point potent hero Nerak. So the 120 point cost isn't even that far off from other similar bonding army options, and taking into account the cost of Nerak is fairly balanced for the type of army he is going to be in. Quote:
Against range of course Grimnak will struggle more but here's where you have to specify 'cheaper figures'. Even there, the gruts have the speed and disengage to get around most screens to get to the Krav or tie down troublesome ranged figures. If the figures you were referring to are a hoarde of Mass/Regiment, then well I don't think that's an argument for saying Grimnak can be killed too quickly. Quote:
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In addition, the amount of attacks he sees should be minimized by the bonding squad. You can protect him or engage the enemy. Quote:
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Thanks for the great points that really give credit to the figure. I would still pick Krug but he does bond and boost well with the two different squads. I like to hear why troops get ranked and how people come to the conclusions. Thanks again
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
The Chomp being able to open a hole for the Orc's to move through combined with their Disengage can really help with map control.
At least that is what I remember a more skilled player than I mentioning. |
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
Grimnak is ranked highly because he is consistently strong. Sure he may have a bad game every once in a blue moon because Q9 just ripped him apart with 3 attacks of 3 skulls, but beyond those games, he will often earn his points back. And depending on who he chomps, can earn back far far more. There just aren't many figures who offer guarenteed anything in this game, Grimnak offers free OHKO.
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So Grimnak's A grade is an assessment of how valuable he is in an expertly handled army of Heavies in a tournament setting. Thank you for asking the question, these conversations are always interesting. |
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Re: The Book of Grimnak
Glad I could start it. I had some stuff i wanted to talk about the empirium but i accidentally hit previous thread so it deleted it all and I'm too lazy to rewrite it all
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