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Old October 10th, 2019, 03:19 PM
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

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After moving and attacking with Ultron, you may choose one figure within 10 clear sight spaces of Ultron. Chosen figures must be Androids, Cyborgs, or figures other than Destructible Objects that received at least one wound from Ultron's Encephalo Ray Special Attack this turn. Roll the 20-sided die, adding 1 to your roll for each wound given to a figure this turn with Encephalo Ray Special Attack. If you roll 20 or higher, destroy the chosen figure and Ultron. Immediately place Ultron on the space previously occupied by the chosen figure and remove all Wound Markers from Ultron's card.
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Old October 10th, 2019, 03:21 PM
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

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But he does have to be chosen to both move and attack right? A lot of the game Vs the Fan 4 he was rubber wrapped so I was moving 2 Drones and making feeble attacks on Mr. Fantastic with Ultron.
I believe so yea, but you could have chosen to move him 0 spaces and then attacked with him. I never even thought about using the move 2 drones and then attack with Ultron approach.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

It made the most sense to me when Ultron couldn’t move. If I had realized I could have moved one Drone only and then attempted Transmission rolls I might have done that a couple of times. When you take a full turn with Ultron and don’t move him your default moved him 0 spaces so it counts, I didn’t consider that’s how it worked with Age of Ultron.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

I hadn't contemplated your tactic, so I think another set of tests where someone plays him that way could be some good data.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

I'm pretty sure the "After moving and attacking" wording only specifies timing, and not a trigger that you have to do both. Who's in charge of rules nowadays.

Otherwise, what is your intent, Tickle? We can easily clean up the wording to make it clear, but I want to know what you want it to do first.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

I don’t have a strong preference either way. I was under the impression that he wasn’t able to use the Transmission if he was chosen with Age of Ultron but I’m fine if he is able to do that. I do think it’s a little ambiguous as it is worded currently. I’m leaning towards allowing him to use it because I want them to be at least as good with Ultron as they are with Brainiac 13. Which definitely comes from being able to keep multiple Drones close to Brainiac easily and his being a trigger when he would die instead of something you have to choose to do each turn. So I think giving Ultron more opportunity to roll Transmission and leaving Drones at +2 for that roll is the better strategy.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

I would have played it the way Tickle just described. Use one of the 2 moves from Age of Ultron (even if it's a move of 0) and then have Utron use the 1 attack granted by Age of Ultron, and you have satisfied the 'after moving and attacking' requirement to roll for Transmission. If you moved two drones and attack with Ultron, you didn't move and attack with Ultron so you don't get to attempt Transmission. If it were just a timing trigger, it would only say after attacking with Ultron, moving or not moving is irreverent to the timing. Thus it's inclusion indicates it's a requirement as part of the trigger, Ultron must have used both a move and attack action to use Transmission, an attack only bonding power would not trigger it, nor would a move only bonding power. Ultron must both move and attack to use Transmision (even if it was just a move of 0), however it doesn't otherwise need to be full turn bonding though. If it required a normal full turn, it would have said after taking a turn with Ultron, so the pseudo bonding granted by Age of Ultron satisfies the trigger requirement.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

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I would have played it the way Tickle just described. Use one of the 2 moves from Age of Ultron (even if it's a move of 0) and then have Utron use the 1 attack granted by Age of Ultron, and you have satisfied the 'after moving and attacking' requirement to roll for Transmission. If you moved two drones and attack with Ultron, you didn't move and attack with Ultron so you don't get to attempt Transmission. If it were just a timing trigger, it would only say after attacking with Ultron, moving or not moving is irreverent to the timing. Thus it's inclusion indicates it's a requirement as part of the trigger, Ultron must have used both a move and attack action to use Transmission, an attack only bonding power would not trigger it, nor would a move only bonding power. Ultron must both move and attack to use Transmision (even if it was just a move of 0), however it doesn't otherwise need to be full turn bonding though. If it required a normal full turn, it would have said after taking a turn with Ultron, so the pseudo bonding granted by Age of Ultron satisfies the trigger requirement.
that's how I would interpret that too.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

I basically played it that way (Moving Ultron around was more useful than an extra drone), so I'm not concerned about that part.

I'm fuzzy on my rulings, but if that's correct then we should be good on that part!
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

Gonna try to run one more test tonight now that I understand how that should work better.

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Ultron Drones

Army Test
Map: X Marks the Spot
Units: Ultron, Ultron Drones x6, Gizmo, Mechanical Constructs x2 (1520) vs Captain America 240, Wasp II 160, Iron Man (Avengers) 270, Spider-Man 250, Hawkeye (Skycycle), Doctor Strange and Falcon (1520)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: They definitely played differently when I could use Transmission after using Age of Ultron. I was still able to keep 1 Drone in the SZ for most of the game as their OM hub.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: They feel rather balanced to me and I like how they play with Ultron now that I understand how Program Transmission works with Age of Ultron

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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

Updated with last test results.
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Re: The Book of Ultron Drones - Public Playtesting

Sweet. Looking good. What are you thinking in terms of moving forward?

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