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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

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I'm fine with that clause since it's thematic enough, but it won't discourage pulling a single ally too much if Gravity Crush gains strength with each engaged figure.
Which is fine with me if a player wants to make a sacrifice to the void to try to hit harder.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

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I'm fine with that clause since it's thematic enough, but it won't discourage pulling a single ally too much if Gravity Crush gains strength with each engaged figure.
Which is fine with me if a player wants to make a sacrifice to the void to try to hit harder.
When you put it that way, how could I refuse?
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

I like forcing the Ruiner to use GravCrush if it uses GravPull. It’s thematic, and helps prevent a player from using it as an extra Carry option.

I massively prefer a Special Attack version of GravCrush. This thing is likely going to be the most powerful unit, and autowounding powers don’t feel particularly powerful against Heroes. While we can certainly create another squad-killer like TKN, I’m not really into it. TKN was somewhat dissapointing in his own Master Set compared to Q10 to me, with his saving grace being the Nagrub-nuggets. The robot’s thematic boost was because of his varied armaments, something that makes you think of old Mecha cartoons.

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Old May 19th, 2019, 03:48 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

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I massively prefer a Special Attack version of GravCrush.
I see what you did there. I'm leaning that way as well, just wanted to get the d20 version out there since I had thought it up while earlier discussion was going on. EDIT: Added current discussion to OP for easy reference.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

Iím thinking we can start testing at 220 points for this beast.

Any ideas for left box stats?

Maybe Utgar/PurplePeopleEater/Devourer/Relentless?

He Devours everything with GravPull and GravCrush. Heís relentless is his pursuit of destruction and death. And heís purple.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

Purple People Eater is the only proper choice for a species here. Anything else like Alien or some gibberish, nonsynergistic name is clearly invalid.

Devourer and Relentless work for me, although I'd rather see him in Valkrill rather than Utgar if we're going for the black hole theme rather than an eldritch one. It better matches the mass consummation in my opinion, and Utgar already has plenty of units on his own (with other likely candidates like Ob Nixilus in this set).

If we do want to present this guy as some Lovecraftian horror, then I could see him in Utgar instead to match the Mindflayers thematically. The main difference to my knowledge is whether he'll be able to be used in Ornak hodgepodges or not, which although fun, typically aren't the most competitive of armies.
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

I can live with him following Valkrill, although to be fair Valkrill has oppurtunities in this set already with Shadow Zombies and Lily. Giving him the Eldrazis does give him some more Sci-Fi which Id be happy with, though.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

Iím not completely confident that the current version of Gravity Pull will play well in the set (it seems pretty easy to play around, even moreso for an all-uniques master set) but I could see us moving to testing here and seeing how it plays.
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

If it turns out that’s not super ideal, I feel like it’s an easy theme to re-mechanic.
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

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If it turns out thatís not super ideal, I feel like itís an easy theme to re-mechanic.
That's true. We've already tossed around a ton of gravity-based ideas in this thread. Many kinds of movement/pull abilities can work well with the AOE Gravity Crush SA, so if the "pull all figures within 2 spaces after moving" isn't fun or is too easy to avoid, we can go back to the drawing board on that.
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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

I might get slapped for this, but how about adding adding Bonding to Eldrazi Scions to bond with the Eldrazi Ruiner? It is such a "classic" but simple power that I think should be in a master set, as the only one we had was Nagrubs Lifebonding, and we have not seen straight up bonding in an Unique Squad. We could make the species/personality/size/etc that we choose to bond on also apply to other already released figures, but should be fine with just one hero with one squad. GRAVITY CRUSH gets power for each adjacent figure and bonding allows squads can move adjacent, so if we added this we might not even need GRAVITY PULL, although I like that power anyway. We can also make the Scions somehow impervious to GRAVITY CRUSH.

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Re: [Pod 0] UNIT NAME (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Design

I responded to the Bonding idea in the Brainstorm thread (since it would be for the SPACE SHRIMP, though with obvious implications here).

I think Pull/Crush works fine even in the context of this set. Pulling in just two figures is two attacks of 3, which isn't bad. Pending potential defensive powers, you could also just want a special attack to for being special. It's also OK to have things that work better outside the set (see: Grimnak, Mimring); Rise of the Valkyrie didn't have any Commons, either.

Also, Valkrill works here for me.

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