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Old November 16th, 2019, 07:00 PM
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I very much want him to be a potential JLer, because Lex actually was in the JL pretty close to this era. But I also think that making him a slightly questionable pick for the team is both fun and thematic. Make it so the JL can wrangle some of his more negative elements (Batman can modify his S-I role, and Supes can move him out of engagement so he can repair) and he’s both viable as a JL pick but also a bit pricklier than your average member. Or at least that’s the theory.
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I just don't like having to remember to roll the d20 at the start of every single player turn, then when it 'hits' I'm disappointed that I can't do what I was planning on doing with that OM reveal. It's a chore I don't want to do, with the only result being a negative experience.
I understand your concern. In the HelmAverse I used a similar power on Human Torch called Reckless Teammate but tied the randomness to the initiative roll rather than to every turn of an Order Marker.

The funny thing is, we haven’t used the HT in a while but every time the condition comes up, one of us remarks how he would be jumping in for his turn if he was on the team in this fight. We just all nod and move on but I know the mental notes are being taken as to how often it comes into play and whether the negative is really an issue or not.

Making it part of the initiative certainly would make it less of a chore. I could see a new riff on self-importance where, if you roll 1-3/4/5 on initiative, an opponent can move 1 OM from any card in your army to the card with the special power on it. Similar to how Iron Patriot works I suppose. Then it maxes out a 1 disruption per round and doesn't require any upkeep.
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I very much want him to be a potential JLer, because Lex actually was in the JL pretty close to this era. But I also think that making him a slightly questionable pick for the team is both fun and thematic. Make it so the JL can wrangle some of his more negative elements (Batman can modify his S-I role, and Supes can move him out of engagement so he can repair) and he’s both viable as a JL pick but also a bit pricklier than your average member. Or at least that’s the theory.
That sounds good to me.

Yeah, thanks for clarifying the intent and theme there.
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Old November 16th, 2019, 07:04 PM
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I just don't like having to remember to roll the d20 at the start of every single player turn, then when it 'hits' I'm disappointed that I can't do what I was planning on doing with that OM reveal. It's a chore I don't want to do, with the only result being a negative experience.
I understand your concern. In the HelmAverse I used a similar power on Human Torch called Reckless Teammate but tied the randomness to the initiative roll rather than to every turn of an Order Marker.

The funny thing is, we haven’t used the HT in a while but every time the condition comes up, one of us remarks how he would be jumping in for his turn if he was on the team in this fight. We just all nod and move on but I know the mental notes are being taken as to how often it comes into play and whether the negative is really an issue or not.

Making it part of the initiative certainly would make it less of a chore. I could see a new riff on self-importance where, if you roll 1-3/4/5 on initiative, an opponent can move 1 OM from any card in your army to the card with the special power on it. Similar to how Iron Patriot works I suppose. Then it maxes out a 1 disruption per round and doesn't require any upkeep.
Avengers Stark is also a decent place to look for inspiration there...
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I like negative powers for stuff like Self-Importance, and don't mind "feel bad" stuff when it means I can get a powerful unit for a discount. But I do agree that the upkeep is kind of annoying. So yeah, worth considering an alternative - maybe something less wordy, if we're sticking with 4 powers.
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Maybe riff on Penguin (II) instead of Penguin (I) and have Lex penalize you for having the audacity to not give him your OMs?

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Yeah I was initially thinking something where you’re required to put OMs on Lex, but something like Penguin II where it’s just “strongly suggested” you put them on him would probably be way less of a rules headache.

Something like Avengers Tony could be fun too, just maybe restructured to be a bit less Cap-friendly?
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Old November 17th, 2019, 12:39 AM
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While Lex Luthor is on the battlefield:
• add three to your initiative roll for each Order Marker on this Army Card
• if you lose initiative, the player who won initiative may chose one Army Card you control and remove one unrevealed Order Marker from the chosen card.

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I’m not in love with the thematics of an initiative boost here. I’m thinking more along the lines of just subtracting X from your roll if there’s no OMs on his card.
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I was going for the "Let me do it and it'll be done competently and try to do it without me and you'll screw it up" theme. He's a genius, so he'd be able to plan effectively (i.e. initiative boost) but he needs you to put your full trust in him for his plan to work.

I dunno, just a take.

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I quite like that angle, actually....


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Re: Public Design Workshop

Don't think it really needs a boost, but the negative to it for each OM on another card or a card that isn't of a specific type I kinda like. I would still make it kinda Iron Patriot esque where if you win Initiative WXY happens and if you lose initiative XYZ happens.
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