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Old November 14th, 2019, 05:15 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

Factoring in attack boosters? Down that road lies madness. Just use the numbers on the card.

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Old November 14th, 2019, 05:22 PM
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I think it should be noted that he canít really use his Trigger Man and Brutality abilities on the same turn. One requires non-adjacency while the other requires adjacency..
That was intentional.

For the record. I donít like having stat boosters elevating him and donít like the be defense option.

This would pigeon hole him more into a cap/Star-Lord army and distance him more from his thematic teams.
Yes, I understand it was intentional and I like that choice. Just saw some things said that led me to believe some thought he would be getting double Brutality attacks which isnít true.

Iím honestly fine with him being an okay pairing with Cap, because I kind of like heroes and their thematic villains being decent pairs with one another. But I donít love it getting in the way of who should really be pairing with. (Red Skull, Hydra, a potential Sin design)
I highly doubt that'll be the case. Two ranged attacks is better than one melee attack -1 defence, most of the time. OM managers are pretty much a necessity for this guy.
Captain America + Ms. Marvel or Wasp (vII) could work, but Red Skull and the Zemos I expect'll be his go-tos.


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Old November 14th, 2019, 05:33 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

I'm not sure a potential -1D is worthy enough to build an army around. Sure he'd be good with Cap and StarLord, but anyone is. I'm fine either way here. Number for simplicity, or dice rolled for theme. Doesn't matter to me.
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Old November 14th, 2019, 05:37 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

Dice rolled at least gives him a chance of affecting a decent-ish number of characters if he can claim height. It almost becomes Kneel Before Zod-lite. I like that.
I'm definitely in favour of that direction.


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Old November 14th, 2019, 07:44 PM
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Yes, I understand it was intentional and I like that choice. Just saw some things said that led me to believe some thought he would be getting double Brutality attacks which isn’t true.
We are on the same page here.

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I’m honestly fine with him being an okay pairing with Cap, because I kind of like heroes and their thematic villains being decent pairs with one another. But I don’t love it getting in the way of who should really be pairing with. (Red Skull, Hydra, a potential Sin design)
I agree with you mostly here. For me though it's more, I don't mind it being a cool side effect that just happens while making a thematic fit. I just don't like it to be intentional.

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Factoring in attack boosters? Down that road lies madness. Just use the numbers on the card.
That's my position. We have plenty of discussions about similar issues, yet here we are intentionally adding in another one. Though, Yes, I agree this is a lesser issue...NOW. but later may be a different story.

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Dice rolled at least gives him a chance of affecting a decent-ish number of characters if he can claim height. It almost becomes Kneel Before Zod-lite. I like that.
I'm definitely in favour of that direction.
nearly a third of our designs is not a decent'ish enough number? He's a well trained human not a Mutate/Mutant/Metahuman or any other powered being. That feels about right to me. He shouldn't be putting a smack down to a lot of powered beings.

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Old November 14th, 2019, 09:27 PM
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Yes, I understand it was intentional and I like that choice. Just saw some things said that led me to believe some thought he would be getting double Brutality attacks which isnít true.
We are on the same page here.

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Iím honestly fine with him being an okay pairing with Cap, because I kind of like heroes and their thematic villains being decent pairs with one another. But I donít love it getting in the way of who should really be pairing with. (Red Skull, Hydra, a potential Sin design)
I agree with you mostly here. For me though it's more, I don't mind it being a cool side effect that just happens while making a thematic fit. I just don't like it to be intentional.

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Factoring in attack boosters? Down that road lies madness. Just use the numbers on the card.
That's my position. We have plenty of discussions about similar issues, yet here we are intentionally adding in another one. Though, Yes, I agree this is a lesser issue...NOW. but later may be a different story.

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Dice rolled at least gives him a chance of affecting a decent-ish number of characters if he can claim height. It almost becomes Kneel Before Zod-lite. I like that.
I'm definitely in favour of that direction.
nearly a third of our designs is not a decent'ish enough number? He's a well trained human not a Mutate/Mutant/Metahuman or any other powered being. That feels about right to me. He shouldn't be putting a smack down to a lot of powered beings.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

As far as wording goes, forgive me if there is a C3G precedent that I’m ignorant of, but should Brutality reference the “attack value on the card”.

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When attacking an adjacent figure with Crossbones, if the attack value on this card is the same or higher than that on the card of the defending figure, the defending figure subtracts 1 from its Defense.

Otherwise height, glyphs or special power bonuses could give him a much higher “attack” than many defending cards. Unless of course that’s the intent.
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Old November 16th, 2019, 01:33 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

There's somewhat of a debate between going with the attack number (i.e. what's printed on the card) and the number of attack dice they're rolling. I believe the LD here is leaning towards the former.

Had to double check myself on whether "attack value" or "attack number" is official (I've always used "number" and seen it used in C3G) and Finn came to my rescue


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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

Nice. I guess you can go either way.



I do think your safer referencing “... on this card...” no matter which way you go.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

Yeah I think I probably stopped paying attention to “official” language right after the first DnD wave or so.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

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Yeah I think I probably stopped paying attention to ďofficialĒ language right after the first DnD wave or so.
I completely understand.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Breathing Period)

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I do think your safer referencing ď... on this card...Ē
As the original drafted here I agree and donít think height and attack boosters should help here.

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