Mindflayer Mastermind pre-release discussion thread

[theGuru]

You can't loop enslave, it triggers on a turn that you reveal an order marker on.

[killercactus]

Originally Posted by Cleon

I like this guy. Plant him behind a ruin in the middle of the battlefield and attack and he can actually do something with it unlike Tul-Bak-Ra. The thing is, you need to waste an order marker on him to waste an order marker on the opponent's unit. The Ornak idea is neat but you still need something more to kill with than two blind attacks of 3. He can screw opponents that spread there order markers a bit but as far as stacking all markers on 4th Mass I don't think the Mindflayer ruins it because it kind of cancels your turn as well.

That's why I like Ornak. He gives you the chance to get 2 kills AND potentially kill 2 turns with just one Order Marker. I agree though that you need something else to fill out that army that can do damage.

Torin/Raelin with Mind Flayers could be interesting, because they actually have some range and the ability to kill turns. You can just sit some Mind Flayers next to Torin, with Raelin backing them and, when you reveal an OM if there's nothing in range of your Mind Flayer, just try to Enslave something else that can shoot. If they're firing at you with normal attacks, they're in trouble trying to get through 6D and will probably have to close to melee, in which case you start removing OMs.

EDIT: @ Oliver - theGuru is of course correct that you have to reveal an OM to Enslave, so you can't do it on the Ornak turn because you revealed the OM on Ornak.

Also, you can't even Enslave a MFM once, because Enslave doesn't work on other Mind Flayers.

[Oliver Upshaw]

Originally Posted by theGuru

You can't loop enslave, it triggers on a turn that you reveal an order marker on.

And another plans crashes into reality.

[Tai-Pan]

Originally Posted by Cleon

I like this guy. Plant him behind a ruin in the middle of the battlefield and attack and he can actually do something with it unlike Tul-Bak-Ra. The thing is, you need to waste an order marker on him to waste an order marker on the opponent's unit. The Ornak idea is neat but you still need something more to kill with than two blind attacks of 3. He can screw opponents that spread there order markers a bit but as far as stacking all markers on 4th Mass I don't think the Mindflayer ruins it because it kind of cancels your turn as well.

However you can still enslave afterwards so it's not a total waste, and you also have your 3 attack already hit. But whether he's effective or not I don't think he sucks, he has solid stats and potentially powerful abilities.

I think your solution would be to use him against bonding squads. Use the mind blast against a squaddie to kill an order marker, then try to take control of their hero.

Quick thought, against the MacDirk's, I think I'll overextend Alastair into oblivion!!! Or at the very least put another wound on him and run him towards my guys to get him stuck.

Is it just me, or is the X order marker slowly becoming more important? Against this guy, you could use the X to try to shield another order marker.

[Matthias Maccabeus]

Originally Posted by theGuru

You can't loop enslave, it triggers on a turn that you reveal an order marker on.

Ah, shucks!!
But you can enslave Dr. Doom who mind exchanges with ....

[Freezie]

Originally Posted by Tai-Pan

I think your solution would be to use him against bonding squads. Use the mind blast against a squaddie to kill an order marker, then try to take control of their hero.

Quick thought, against the MacDirk's, I think I'll overextend Alastair into oblivion!!! Or at the very least put another wound on him and run him towards my guys to get him stuck.

Is it just me, or is the X order marker slowly becoming more important? Against this guy, you could use the X to try to shield another order marker.

I've always considered the X marker important. It's importance has just been magnified though by this release. Pay attention to your order markers people! OM placement is what wins and loses games

[Kaiser Cat]

Originally Posted by Matthias Maccabeus

Ah, shucks!!
But you can enslave Dr. Doom who mind exchanges with ....

Your teammate's Doctor Doom!

[Tai-Pan]

You can use enslave on your own figures!!!!! That's awesome!!!

Mindflayer 20% bonding with any unique hero within 4 clear sight spaces.

[rasputen4565]

Originally Posted by Tai-Pan

There are a lot of good squad killers that usually fall apart because the squads overrun them. I'd be for putting a couple mindflayers in an army with:
Tor-Kul-Na, and just run them over.
Grimnak, and just take them off the board.
Zelrig, and fry them all.
Sharwin?, and lightening the crud out of groups.
DW8K, lots of chances to get rolling.

I personally like the idea of playing DW8K, Ornak, and a couple of mindflayers against a Viper or Ashigaru army.

I like Braxas' and TKN's chances best. I have faith in my d20!

[Grungebob]

Originally Posted by clancampbell

Shouldn't the race be Illithid, not Mindflayer?

This wasn't an oversight.

[NecroBlade]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Cat

Your teammate's Doctor Doom!

Nope. You can't have two Dooms in your army (even temporarily).

[Tai-Pan]

Enslave could be infuriating with a melee hero. Enemy hero runs 5-6 spaces towards the enemy, intent on reaching enemy lines to wreak havoc. Mindflayer enslaves him, runs him right back where he was, and hits something. Not only has the Mindflayer killed something (with the enemy's figure), it effectively negated a turn (because the movement is basically cancelled).



How about reversing a Zelrig attack? Mindflayer takes Zelrig, turns him around, and fries his own starting zone!!!