Stinger Denial Poll

[bonegnasher]

Interesting that they didn't factor it in, even if it was after the fact of seeing the sculpts and saying, "Holy crap, those guns really block movement".

Of course on the other hand the use of Stinger Denial is highly situational and probably wouldn't come up as often as one might think. I'd actually probably only use it to make my son hopping mad in a fun game (seems like a contradiction but it isn't), or maybe in a very serious/highly competitive tourney setting (i.e. Gencon), or against that rare player type of player who's a total jerk and deserves it

[Kinseth]

I'd never use it, I remember CVN playing someone at Gencon and Raelin was positioned a certain way that would deny an opposing figure from standing next to her. And he moved her so that the figure could stand there.

It isn't in the spirit of the game, big no-no for me.

[SuperflyTNT]

He cheated, you mean?

Do you really want to take advice on how to play Heroscape from both an incompetent (didn't see Denial while designing the model) and a cheater (moved his figure on his opponent's turn)?

LMAO

*I jest, I jest.

[orgsbane]

Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT

He cheated, you mean?

Do you really want to take advice on how to play Heroscape from both an incompetent (didn't see Denial while designing the model) and a cheater (moved his figure on his opponent's turn)?

LMAO

*I jest, I jest.

Me, reading that:

!!! ....

[The CEE]

Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT

He cheated, you mean?

Do you really want to take advice on how to play Heroscape from both an incompetent (didn't see Denial while designing the model) and a cheater (moved his figure on his opponent's turn)?

LMAO

*I jest, I jest.

Originally Posted by Google

Cheat:
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination.

Therefore, CVN did not "cheat" in any sense of the word, as by breaking the rules he was putting himself at a disadvantage. I know you were just messing around Superfly, but you really had no basis to go on calling CVN a cheater (at his own game no less).

[The_X_Marker]

Originally Posted by The CEE

Therefore, CVN did not "cheat" in any sense of the word, as by breaking the rules he was putting himself at a disadvantage. I know you were just messing around Superfly, but you really had no basis to go on calling CVN a cheater (at his own game no less).

Originally Posted by Websters

Cheat:
Intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery
b : to violate rules dishonestly

Originally Posted by The CEE

Therefore, CVN did not "cheat" in any sense of the word, as by breaking the rules he was putting himself at a disadvantage. I know you were just messing around Superfly, but you really had no basis to go on calling CVN a cheater (at his own game no less).

By the definitions that I found, he did cheat. I really don't care, it's semantics and a waste of time to discuss definitions.

However, SuperFly was joking around, an didn't actually mean it. That's why it was a joke, and not a serious post, so the part I bolded is just you appearing waaaay too defensive.

[The CEE]

Originally Posted by The_X_Marker

However, SuperFly was joking around, an didn't actually mean it. That's why it was a joke, and not a serious post, so the part I bolded is just you appearing waaaay too defensive.

I fully realized it was a joke, hence the phrase "I know you were just messing around Superfly".

Originally Posted by Websters

Cheat:
Intransitive verb
1
a : to practice fraud or trickery
b : to violate rules dishonestly

Originally Posted by The_X_Marker

By the definitions that I found, he did cheat. I really don't care, it's semantics and a waste of time to discuss definitions.

The definition you cited doesn't prove CVN's action as cheating any more than mine did. Craig touched his own figure on his opponent's turn in plain view and with his opponent's blessing. I wouldn't call that a "dishonest rule violation", would you?

Cheating is an action your opponent doesn't want you to commit. In the above situation, Craig's opponent was grateful that he adjusted the figure in order to make room. Again, not a situation I would define as cheating.

[SuperflyTNT]

Rule Breaking?

[Jim]

Originally Posted by The CEE

Cheating is an action your opponent doesn't want you to commit.

If I were playing a game with my friend Mike, and I didn't like the game/wasn't having a good time, but he clearly was, and if I then were violating the rules so that he would gain an advantage and likely win, he would be furious at me.

Cheating doesn't need to be only benefiting the cheater.

*

[saywhat]

Originally Posted by Jim

If I were playing a game with my friend Mike, and I didn't like the game/wasn't having a good time, but he clearly was, and if I then were violating the rules so that he would gain an advantage and likely win, he would be furious at me.

Cheating doesn't need to be only benefiting the cheater.

*

I respectfully disagree. Cheating is to gain an unfair advantage, in your example you are basically forfeiting the game and that is what would be upsetting to your opponent who is having a good time.

I have been on both ends of this scenario and it is akin to saying "I don't want to play this dumb game anymore".

The only similarity between this and cheating is that both are considered poor sportsmanship. Beyond that one is not the other.

[The CEE]

Originally Posted by SuperflyTNT

Rule Breaking?

Rule breaking does not equal cheating in all circumstances (but it does in most).

Originally Posted by Jim

If I were playing a game with my friend Mike, and I didn't like the game/wasn't having a good time, but he clearly was, and if I then were violating the rules so that he would gain an advantage and likely win, he would be furious at me.

Cheating doesn't need to be only benefiting the cheater.

*

I agree that the hypothetical situation you outlined should be classified as cheating. In it, you broke the rules for your own benefit (bringing an early end to a game you did not enjoy). Also, your mentioned rule violation was upsetting to your opponent (who was enjoying himself and did not want the game cut short). I'd say that is pretty cut and dry cheating to me.

However, unless I'm missing something, CVN's alleged "cheating" does not share any of the common similarities with your example. Craig had no selfish advantage to gain by making room for an opponent's figure to engage his own. Furthermore, Craig's action did not frustrate his opponent, it did just the opposite! His opponent was pleased he shifted one of his figures out of turn order.

Cheating, if discovered, hinders the enjoyment of the game for one or more players. CVN's action made the game mutually more enjoyable for all involved. If Craig had been cheating, why did his opponent thank him for doing so?

[saywhat]

Originally Posted by The CEE

In it, you broke the rules for your own benefit (bringing an early end to a game you did not enjoy).

From a purely gaming perspective this does not equal gaining an unfair advantage.