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Old July 9th, 2018, 09:56 AM
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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

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It’s not just the attack potential that would be driving his cost up, it’s the combination of RagTag’s free turn with near any figure in the game, Ride Along to keep him in perfect placement with the pack and allow for a double move essentially, and Too Adorable to Kill’s ability to keep him around getting extra turns longer.
I... am aware of that. I directly stated it, which is why I was okay with bumping this guy up to 95. I just didn't want to bump him too high based on offensive potential that loads of other sidekicks can equal and which is accounted for to a great degree in Cap and Star-Lords' costs. Remember, for as well as Groot did in fret's games, he lost both of them.


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Old July 9th, 2018, 10:02 AM
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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

Well, the difference would be that Damien would also require you drafting a Vigilante, and in the case of Starlord, making sure that Vigilante was not Human. Groots bonds with the stat booster himself.

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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

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Well, the difference would be that Damien would also require you drafting a Vigilante, and in the case of Starlord, making sure that Vigilante was not Human. Groots bonds with the stat booster himself.
I am aware of that, which is why I specifically have made points in Groot's favour and am happy with Groot being 15 points more than Damian. Why are people arguing against things I haven't said? All I've argued is that Damian is more dangerous than Groot and that the stat-boosts of Star-Lord and Cap are factored into their cost more than Groot's. I have at no stage dismissed the other advantages Groot has over other sidekicks.


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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

I'm comfortable trusting the CRB here. It's a touch call to run the fine line between a card as it is and a card in the ideal army.

I think the personalities are fine. I can see Fret's point in place, but this discussion was had earlier and the current ones make sense to me the way it was explained.


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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

I mean... nothing's changed here from previous comments SSG1 and I have made. This design is pure efficiency. It does damage and demands your opponent's attention without consuming any Order Markers. If the powers aren't changing, then 105 is completely reasonable.
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*sigh* Fine, how do I get him down to under 100 without sacrificing his powers?


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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

Why not go to 105? Doesn't seem unreasonable to me, and the extra points cushion isn't going to render him suddenly undraftable. Mr Cheapy Bonds-with-everyone is always gonna have a place.
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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

I think 105 makes sense. It also lends itself to some nice builds at standard army point values.

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160) = 1000

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Mantis(200) = 1200

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Bug(200) = 1200

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Mantis(200), Adam Warlock(400) = 1600

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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

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I think 105 makes sense. It also lends itself to some nice builds at standard army point values.

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160) = 1000

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Mantis(200) = 1200

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Bug(200) = 1200

Groot(105), Star-Lord(250), Rocket(175), Gamora(310), Cosmo(160), Mantis(200), Adam Warlock(400) = 1600

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Hmm... I am liking that set of builds. Any decent ones with Drax, and maybe a few without Cosmo?

I'll have to consider whether I consider 105 thematically justifiable - that's my sticking point at present.


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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

A superpowerless preteen in short shorts runs you 100. 105 is on the high side, but doesn't seem crazy.
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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

105 or drop his Life by 1 feels like your best options here.
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Re: The Book of Groot (Baby) - Public Playtesting

I'd say dropping attack by 1 is also an option. However, if he comes in at 85 or 95, what are your build options? That's more my focus than the actual cost itself being a specific number.

As far as Drax goes, he's usually the odd man out unfortunately, but I haven't been able to figure him in to anything at 85, 95, or 105.

Edit: @Scapemage Looks like I never completed Groot's card as there weren't mini pics, just made the initial template, so if you want this one you got it! Someone will need to get pics or they may have been posted in the thread somewhere.

I did have this, which is a nicer/bigger version of what's in the art post:

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