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Project 500 - Redux
About 4 years ago, a member of the site who has only 14 posts came up with what I thought was a fantastic idea. You can read the original concept here: http://www.heroscapers.com/community...ad.php?t=19472
Essentially, the goal was to create a whole bunch of 500 point armies that were reasonably synergistic/thematic/fun but also contained no duplication of figures. In other words, if army #1 has Microcorps Agents, no other army will also. This allows for a single, mostly-complete Heroscape collection to have a pre-made army selection. I have not been strict in adhering to the 500 point limit (armies range from 490 to 520), but these should ideally be balanced against each other regardless. In the case of the initial Project 500 thread, these armies were to be used in a tournament with new people. However, I found the idea appealing for a different reason: I often play with casual players. These are people who like the game and know the rules, but don't know/care enough about all the interactions to draft intelligently. This allows for pick-up-and-play. I used the original Project 500 as a template, and made some modifications. Some armies, such as Elf Wizards and Samurai Peasants practically build themselves, while others are a bit less cohesive. Regardless, every army should feature both range and melee, high-powered units should be balanced by low-powered ones, and, where possible, the army should have a theme. I've used all every figure up through wave 9, including promos. It is a simple matter to add a Wave 10 army of 3x Granite Guardians and 2x Quasatch Hunters if desired. I kept it to 36 armies though for ease of randomization, and because I do not have those figures. There are only 4 units that do not appear in armies here: Obsidian Guards, Dzu-Teh, Marro Drudge, and Dumutef Guard. These can optionally be substituted point-for-point after armies are selected. However, they are too terrain specific to warrant inclusion in an army at all times. You will notice next to the point value of each army that there are two numbers. The idea with those is that you can roll a red d6 and a black d6 to randomly assign armies. You will also notice that the first 10 armies are highlighted in pairs. These pairs can be squished together to make 1000-point (or 1015-point I suppose) thematic armies that should play reasonably well against each other also. I am open to any suggestions for rearranging in ways that make more sense, and this is by no means the only way it could be done. If anything stands out as glaringly too weak or too strong, it may be worth bringing up if you have a fix for the issue. However, some armies being stronger than others is a necessary evil for expediting a casual game of 'scape, so it's not worth being overly picky about. Hopefully someone else will find this useful when playing with a group of new players as well. Thanks! Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! Last edited by happyjosiah; December 18th, 2012 at 09:06 AM. |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
PLEASE DISREGARD THIS POST. IT SHOWS SOME OF THE CHANGES AND PROCESS OF BUILDING, SO IT IS HERE FOR POSTERITY, BUT THE FINAL LIST IS FOUND IN THE INITIAL POST.
I've been tweaking these a bit and made some changes: For some reason, Marcu was left out of the last list. He has been added. Valguard replaces Marcus in the Roman/Greek army which lets him work better than with the Tarn Vikings, lets Parmenio use his discipline conversion, and frees Marcus up to join the Einar dragon army supporting the redcoat soldiers. Zetacron has been worked into the repulsor/sniper army with his omnicron brothers. The valiant army now has 3 squads of 4th mass and only one squad of templars. I don't normally like to have only a single squad of a common, but it's an expensive squad and the army is better for it sidelining one of the knight squads. I am open to rearranging this further to try to incorporate both squads back in, if there is a way to do this. The Jandar dragon army has been renamed Nilfheim's Ninjas and is a bit more thematic. I am open to suggestions for more evocative army names as well. Some of these are a bit boring. I've also decided to list the full armies below: Elf Wizards Ulginesh 150 Emiroon 80 Arkmer 50 Jorhdawn 100 Chardris 90 Kyntela Gwyn 20 1-1 490 Elf Warriors Acolarh 110 Syvarris 100 Warriors of Ashra x3 150 Aubrien Archers x2 140 1-2 500 Samurai Army Hatamoto Taro 130 Kaemon Awa 120 Tagawa Samurai 120 Tagawa Sam. Archers x2 130 1-3 500 Samurai Peasants Kato Katsuro 200 Kozuke Samurai 100 Ashigaru Yari x2 80 Ashigaru Harquebus x2 120 1-4 500 Monkeys and Agents Laglor 110 Nakita Agents 120 Gorillinators x2 180 Agent Carr 100 1-5 510 Vydar Agents Agent Skahen 120 James Murphy 75 Braxas 210 Krav Maga Agents 100 1-6 505 Marro Warlords Ne-Gok-Sa 90 Me-Burq-Sa 50 Grok Riders x2 260 Marro Dividers x2 100 2-1 500 Marro Swarm Marro Hive 160 Marro Drones x4 200 Tul-Bak-Ra 130 2-2 490 Knights Sir Gilbert 105 Sir Dupuis 150 Sir Denrick 100 Knights of Weston x2 140 2-3 495 Jandar Kyrie Concan 80 Sentinels of Jandar x2 220 Raelin (SotM) 120 Thorgrim the Viking Champion 90 2-4 500 Sting and Crush Wo-Sa-Ga 135 Marrden Hounds x2 180 Marro Stingers x2 120 Raelin (RotV) 80 2-5 515 Marro Hivelords Su-Bak-Na 160 Marrden Nagrubs x4 120 Tor-Kul-Na 220 2-6 500 Monks and Agents Shaolin Monks x2 160 Master Win Chiu Woo 140 Microcorps Agents x2 200 3-1 500 Romans and Greeks Valguard 110 Parmenio 90 Roman Legion x2 100 Sacred Band x2 100 Roman Archers x2 110 3-2 510 Deathborgs Deathwalker 9000 140 Zettian Guards 70 Warden 816 90 Deathstalkers x2 200 Isamu 10 3-3 510 Valiant Army Sgt. Drake (SotM) 170 Templar Calvary 120 4th Massachusetts Line x3 210 3-4 500 Einar Dragon Zelrig 185 10th Regiment of Foot x3 225 Marcus Decimus Gallus 100 3-5 510 Vipers Venoc Warlord 120 Venoc Vipers x4 160 Armoc Vipers x2 130 Elite Onyx Vipers 100 3-6 510 Robots and Warriors Omnicron Repulsors x2 80 Omnicron Snipers x2 200 Zetacron 60 Sgt. Drake (RotV) 110 Tarn Viking Warriors 50 4-1 500 Hard-Drinking Rabble Alastair MacDirk 110 MacDirk Warriors x2 160 Sir Hawthorne 90 Finn the Viking Champion 80 Eldgrim 30 Guilty McCreech 30 4-2 500 Orcs and Beasts Mimring 150 Krug 120 Arrow Gruts x2 80 Swog Rider x2 50 Gurei-Oni 100 4-3 500 Orcs and Witch Ornak 100 Brunak 110 Kee-Mo-Shi 130 Nerak 50 Blade Gruts x3 120 4-4 510 Heavy Orcs Grimnak 120 Tornak 100 Heavy Gruts x2 140 Sudema 140 4-5 500 Vampires and Shades Cyprien Esenwein 150 Sonya Esenwein 45 Iskra Esenwein 50 Rechets of Bogdan 50 Shades of Bleakewood x2 200 Marcu 20 4-6 515 Vydar Robots Major X17 100 Gladiatrons x2 160 Blastatrons x2 120 Dund 110 5-1 490 Q Brothers Q9 180 Q10 150 Deathwalker 7000 100 Izumi Samurai 60 Otonashi 10 5-2 500 Ullar Heroes Sonlen 160 Saylind 80 Theracus 40 Moriko 110 Morsbane 100 5-3 490 Wolves Khosumet 75 Anubian Wolves x3 225 Wolves of Badru x2 160 Deadeye Dan 60 5-4 520 Utgar Kyrie Taelord 180 Minions of Utgar x2 220 Runa 120 5-5 520 Nilfheim's Ninjas Nilfheim 185 Shiori 60 Kelda 80 Kumiko 80 Ninjas of the Northern Wind 110 5-6 515 Einar Kyrie The Einar Imperium x2 280 Empress Kiova 90 Deathreavers x2 80 Marro Warriors 50 6-1 500 Giant and Giant Bugs Jotun 225 Sujoah 185 Fyorlag Spiders x2 80 6-2 490 Gladiators Spartacus 200 Crixus 90 Retarius 90 Capuan Guards x2 140 6-3 520 Dragon and Zombies Charos 210 Zombies of Morindan x4 240 Johnny "Shotgun" Sullivan 65 6-4 515 Dwarves and Shooters Migol Ironwill 110 The Axegrinders of Burning Forge x2 140 Airborne Elite 110 Deathwalker 8000 130 6-5 490 Protectors and Natives Protectors of Ullar x2 220 Atlaga 90 Mohican River Tribe x2 140 Brave Arrow 50 6-6 500 Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! Last edited by happyjosiah; February 27th, 2013 at 09:50 AM. |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
This has been updated. Please see the above post. Thanks for everyone's help in offering suggestions!
Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
That's a very convenient chart. Great for when you don't fell like drafting. The only problem? I can only play one of those armies. ONE!
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This concept is amazing. Even though they might not be able to utilize all of their bonding and synergy a new player would love that there are premade options out there.
“Have you ever hoped for something? And held out for it against all the odds? Until everything you did was ridiculous? "
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
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Well, if it's NOT Elf Wizards, it should be. That army is super-cheap to get and really fun. Marro Warlords is also pretty easy to make, possibly you are only missing Me-Burq-Sa? Deathborgs should be cheap and easy. Seeing Red isn't awful. But in any case, hopefully you can tweak this somewhat to get a few pre-mades of your own. Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
If you post the excel file here on Scapers, it would be available right now
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
Awesome! What a great idea, and beautifully executed. So smart.
Happyjosiah, you don't mind if I provide the link to the GoogleDocs version of your awesome spreadsheet, do you? This is just such a handy resource, and your GoogleDoc version makes it effortless to use. |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
Good idea thanks!
Looking for a way to get casual players involved in Heroscape? Do your opponents lack the interest or knowledge to build/draft their own armies? If so, check out Project 500! |
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Re: Project 500 - Redux
Thank you! That will make it easier for me to fuss with when making play plans!
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