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Re: The Book of Taskmaster (Final Editing)

The site Quozl linked has Taskmaster still standing after taking a punch from a pissed-off Spidey as well as taking on both BuckyCap and SteveCap simultaneously.

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Sorry Scapey, but I don't access to those pictures anymore. I used to upload them to photobuccket and then bring them here from there. But I dropped photobucket years ago when they decided to start charging for photo hosting.

I stopped using Photobucket at the same time. As for these mini photos, I'm guessing you deleted them off you computer and sold/lost the mini then?
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Re: The Book of Taskmaster (Final Editing)

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The site Quozl linked has Taskmaster still standing after taking a punch from a pissed-off Spidey
No, he went down and rather than continue fighting used explosives to escape the situation. Definitely not the same as what you said.
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In what is very clearly a larger battle (on the lawn of the White House, if I'm not mistaken) he managed to use his sword to batter Cap and then throw it to knock Bucky's gun away. Unless I am mistaken, this is also when the Red Skull had augmented powers to help all of his minions (can't remember if it was the Cube or Prof. X's powers). That was literally a single sequence, I'd rate that more held his own in a fight with them, than fought them to a standstill.

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Artificially Enhanced Physiology: Tony was born with the ability to duplicate other abilities that he either saw someone else performed or watched on T.V.[7] After injecting himself with a experimental Nazi version of the Super-Soldier Serum, his brain capacity begin to absorb knowledge instantaneously.[1] The serum also altered his brain chemistry to make him hypercognitive in the area of skill observation and retention.[1] This particular serum was an elaborate modification of the adrenal steroid cortisol, which even enhanced Tony's short-term memory.[1]

Photographic Reflexes: Tony's primarily superhuman power is his photographic reflexes.[7][30] He can watch another person's physical movements and duplicate them without any practice or training, no matter how complex.[8] Tony is able to duplicate almost any physical activity after seeing it done by someone else only once.[31] Taskmaster can use this ability to master complex gymnastics routines and play difficult pieces of music. However, he typically prefers to use this ability to copy the combat skills, both armed and unarmed, of costumed crime-fighters and expert martial artists from around the world.[31] By reviewing recordings of movements periodically, Tony can retain duplicated moves indefinitely.[8] When facing an opponent, he has already studied countless of martial arts, and can virtually predict his enemy's attacks.[8] He can also copy the subtle muscle movements of others so precisely that he can at times do things such as copying another person's voice so precisely as to fool voice recognition software although he must practice a voice to ensure he has perfected it enough to fool such devices.[32][33][5]
Limited Superhuman Speed: Tony is capable of running and moving at speeds that are twice as fast as the human body.[7] He has discovered that after watching martial arts movies in double speed, he can briefly duplicate the moves at double speed, effectively giving him a limited form of superhuman speed.[7] However, he can only maintain his heightened state for minutes before risking temporarily physical damage to his body.[8]
Physical Movement Prediction: Tony can also do things such as figuring out the sleight of hand techniques of a master poker cheater simply by watching them.[32] He has often shown the ability to actually predict an opponent's next move before they make it if he has studied their fighting style enough.[8] Opponents who are skilled at improvisational fighting styles, or who have a more random unpredictable style are less likely to have their moves predicted by Taskmaster.[34]
Superhuman Reflexes: Due to Tony's photographic reflexes, his reaction speed is two times greater than those of a normal human. He easily caught a crescent blade thrown at him from behind by Moon Knight, without even looking.[35] He was also able to deflect bullets with a chain,[36] and even catch a bullet that was shot at him.[7]
Superhuman Agility: Due to his photographic reflexes, Tony has the agility comparable with Spider-Man's and Daredevil's superhuman agility.[32]
I call BS on the Movement prediction. Marvel Wiki clearly says he can figure out fighting movements and predict them, if he studies enough. He does not function like Deathstroke. You really should look around a bit more when reading these kind of arbitrary sites. This particular one had Taskmaster overpowered but also has a link that states he would lose a fight to a lame-o One Piece character. Yeah, this site can be used as factual, there is no bias by the writer what so ever.

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Re: The Book of Taskmaster (Final Editing)

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Sorry Scapey, but I don't access to those pictures anymore. I used to upload them to photobuccket and then bring them here from there. But I dropped photobucket years ago when they decided to start charging for photo hosting.

I stopped using Photobucket at the same time. As for these mini photos, I'm guessing you deleted them off you computer and sold/lost the mini then?
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Sorry Scapey, but I don't access to those pictures anymore. I used to upload them to photobuccket and then bring them here from there. But I dropped photobucket years ago when they decided to start charging for photo hosting.

I stopped using Photobucket at the same time. As for these mini photos, I'm guessing you deleted them off you computer and sold/lost the mini then?
Yep. Not on computer and don't have the mini anymore.

Ahh, that's too bad. It a cool looking mini. I just have the blue one where I wish his sword wasn't reaching down below the base level.
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Re: The Book of Taskmaster (Final Editing)

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No, he went down and rather than continue fighting used explosives to escape the situation. Definitely not the same as what you said.
Okay, but how did he escape if he wasn't still standing? Sure, I guess you could say he fell over and then immediately got back up but that seems like a minor technicality. My point was that he took a hit from a Spidey (who is actually pretty strong, just holds back) at a time when Spidey seemed upset enough that he probably wasn't holding back as much. I'd expect that to knock out or seriously injure most humans, but Taskmaster is able to get back up right away.

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In what is very clearly a larger battle (on the lawn of the White House, if I'm not mistaken) he managed to use his sword to batter Cap and then throw it to knock Bucky's gun away. Unless I am mistaken, this is also when the Red Skull had augmented powers to help all of his minions (can't remember if it was the Cube or Prof. X's powers). That was literally a single sequence, I'd rate that more held his own in a fight with them, than fought them to a standstill.
Okay, I'll admit I don't know the context. But holding his own against Steve as well as another significantly skilled fighter doesn't exactly make me feel like Taskmaster is worse than Steve. There's also another linked page of Taskmaster holding his own against Steve and Tony. He's clearly not going to win, but he's able to at least deal temporarily with their combined attack.

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I call BS on the Movement prediction. Marvel Wiki clearly says he can figure out fighting movements and predict them, if he studies enough. He does not function like Deathstroke. You really should look around a bit more when reading these kind of arbitrary sites. This particular one had Taskmaster overpowered but also has a link that states he would lose a fight to a lame-o One Piece character. Yeah, this site can be used as factual, there is no bias by the writer what so ever.
I'm with you in that I'm pretty much ignoring everything in the actual wiki page. (I don't know anything about One Piece though.) I do think the actual comic pages are valuable though, even if they are out of context.

Where do you think he should fall, power level wise? From my experiences seeing him pop up, I've always viewed him as somebody who is above Cap, more on the Iron Fist to Deathstroke scale of things. I also think our Cap may be 10-20 points under what he would be if he was made today. A quick google of some nerd debates also shows a lot of people thinking Taskmaster would beat Cap in a fight, but again I know that's not entirely reliable.
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Bear in mind some of Cap's value is bound up in his amazing leadership, which Taskmaster doesn't possess.


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Bear in mind some of Cap's value is bound up in his amazing leadership, which Taskmaster doesn't possess.
But that's kind of my point. I see Cap as a fighter as somebody who's equal to Batman or at least dang close to it, and Batman is 250. Take out C3G Cap's leadership and I don't know if he'd even hit 200 points. That's not a complaint because it's one of my favorite units, but I think if C3G made our first Cap in 2019 he'd be higher than 240.
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Re: The Book of Taskmaster (Final Editing)

First off, Cap is above Iron Fist. Unlike the MCU, Cap was "only" frozen for 20 years, so he has had approximately 60 years of experience as a hand to hand combatant. Toss in Peak Human stats (to me that mean runs like Usain Bolt, Swims like Phelps, and can punch like Mike Tyson, but fight like the best UFC fighter) and he is very formidable. Not to mention the things he had seen. Now obviously the Power of the Iron Fist is beyond Steve's abilities, but how would it fair vs. the Shield? Anyway, we can debate these things forever (its one of the things I love about comics), but at some point you have to make a logical conclusion. Tony Masters is specially gifted, his Photographic Reflexes are something I would consider a super power. That being said, his body is normal, but it somehow allowed him to do what these others (Bolt, Phelps, Tyson, etc.) can do, without any of the training. Add in that he can only reserve so much information before his mind deletes things from his hard drive and the fact that he is trying to remember the moves of Cap, Spidey, Daredevil, Swordsman, and Hawkeye (just for starters) and its safe to think his mind is pretty full all the time.
All of this is to say that hand to hand he should basically be only a hair worse than Cap, they are that close. Then defensively, he has options. Does he Dodge, does he deflect? The thing is, he doesn't have the strategic mind, he can't mimic that. So I think to represent that I would make both slightly worse than the person they are mimiking, but not alot. In the same way, I'd make him comparable to Hawkeye, but maybe a hair worse. So the end result is that he can't do any of these things quite as good as the original (whoever heard of a copy being as good as the original) but his combination of skills makes him very interesting and very fun.

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FYI, currently C3G's Captain America will kick Taskmaster's butt one on one.

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Sounds like a win, then. And you definitely won't build armies around Tasky the way you do with Cap.

So is the only complaint that his points are higher? Points =/= power level, so that shouldn't be a concern.

Btw, have a mini for Tasky, but it's an old ugly one and I suck at photos. If you get hard up, though, lemme know, and I'll snap some (probably upside down?) photos.

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