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Old December 18th, 2019, 06:13 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

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Totally agreed. I think the SoV is doing great work these days (and I haven't posted a review in 2 months so I'm not just patting myself on the back here).
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Old December 18th, 2019, 06:14 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I’d like to nominate my Shadowcreep Thrall for SoV consideration:



The design is pretty simple: it’s got a special attack that goes 4/3/2/1 and then either the defender is dead or the Thrall is dead.

It’s on the higher end of the power scale for Thralls, which I personally don’t have a problem with. I kept 30 points because that’s what all the other Thralls are at.

One concern I had after coming up with the design was that this guy outclassed the Deathstrike Thrall, since 4/3/2/1 is better than 6 most of the time, especially since the 4/3/2/1 doesn’t require instant death. To counter that somewhat, I limited it to work on only small or medium figures.

Availability is good, since this is a common figure that was released this month.

20+ at MM
41 at T&T
20+ at CSI
13 at suncitygames
4 at NobleKnight
34+ from a quick glance at eBay, including two sellers with 10+.

That’s a total of 132++++, so probably around 150 without turning too many stones over. Chances are you could even find this at your FLGS.
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Old December 18th, 2019, 10:21 PM
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I love it!

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Old December 19th, 2019, 10:00 AM
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At first glance the stat line looks above average for a thrall. Add in the superior SA and it feels like it might outclass more than one other thrall.

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Old December 19th, 2019, 11:30 AM
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I like the idea but it is faster than all current thralls which being small seems improper. That special attack definitely outclasses all of them as it isn't destroyed very easily.

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Old December 19th, 2019, 11:34 AM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I'm not opposed to a slightly stronger Thrall, but I am concerned about the comparison to the Deathstrike Thrall here. One extra move and a better Special Attack make me suspicious that these guys will overshadow them quite a bit in practice, despite the small/medium restriction.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Let's look at the existing Thrall stat lines:

Preyblood: 5/1/3/3, can get a +3 to move and attack against wounded heroes, death on failure to wound.
Deathstrike: 6/1/3/3, SA of 6 with auto-death.
Bloodburst: 5/1/3/4, can boost attack (death possible on destroying), can wound on death.
Darkprowl: 6/1/2/1, gets +4 to ranged defense, ranged special attack of 5, death on failure to destroy.

Shadowcreep: 7/1/3/3, SA of 4/3/2/1, death on failure to destroy.

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The 3/3 stats are familiar Thrall territory. Only the Darkprowl has worse stats, but its defense is easily boosted to 5 and it relies on its SA of 5 dice.

7 move is a bonus here, but the Preyblood can get up to 8 move and the Darkprowl has a threat range of 9, so again I don't think that breaks the case.

4/3/2/1 SA is good, but it can only be used on small/medium. That gives the Deathstrike and Darkprowl an automatic edge (not to mention the higher attack value). Preyblood can get 7 dice with height and only needs to do a wound to stay alive. Bloodburst is better against heroes since it is always safe when doing the first few wounds.

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All in all, I think Shadowcreeps are comparable. It comes down to the 4/3/2/1 attack and how powerful that is. I think it's a fun new dimension to Thrall armies.
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How much testing have you done?

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I think the question would be whether 30 points is a proper cost for the current design.

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Old December 19th, 2019, 02:11 PM
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Enough to show that 4/3/2/1 is not reliable at getting kills.

EDIT: To answer the question more specifically, I've tested this design three times. Given how it lines up with the other thralls, and that it was performing its role as intended, I was satisfied after only those tests.

I'll be interested to see any further discussion or votes.

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I suspect a base attack of 2 would be more appropriate here but I'm willing to see how it holds up in testing.

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