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Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Rankin
First of all this is an updated (final) version of something that was done by gamjuven in 2008, for his lists see here. I figured it was worth a new thread because it's been three years, and in those three years there have been four waves and one master set.
I actually originally thought about doing these calculations because of threads like my Best Expansions Ever and and Top 5 Worst Expansions Ever. These are both opinion pieces about what is best and worst. Then I realized these questions are ridiculous. After all we all KNOW that the only vaild way to rate units is based on Jexik's opinion on how units fare in double-blind 500 point tournaments. So there is an absolute answer to what is best and worst, whatever expansion pack/wave/master set gets the higest power ranking is THE best. For those of you who don't know me, I'm kidding. Embrace the Suck! Anyway here are the lists. They are ranked by average power ranking, this is the average power per figure in a set, expansion, or wave. Some double counting was necessary, since for example Sir Hawthorne was both released as a promotional figure and in Heros of Renown. Two of the packs in Wave 10 are also in Wave 5, etceteras. Master Sets: Rank…Master Set…Grade…Average Power Ranking 1…Rise Of The Valkyrie (1st Edition)…B…3.11 2…Swarm of The Marro…B…3.03 3…HeroScape Marvel: The Conflict Begins…B…3.03 4...Rise Of The Valkyrie (Elite Onyx Viper Edition)B…3.01 5…Battle for the Underdark/Master Set III:…B-…2.76 The basic difference is trivial, but notice that it also coincides more or less wiith how much terrain/figures you get. Also if you're looking to buy this is a little misleading. Obviously the 2nd edition RotV is best because it has more figures than the 1st edition. And if you fine more than one at a reasonable price PM me please. By Wave (large expansion sets and terrain sets not included.) Rank…Wave…Grade…Average Power Ranking 1…2-Utgar's Rage …B+…3.43 2…9-Blackmoon's Seige…B+…3.20 3…5-Thora's Vengance…B…3.10 4…6-Dawn of Darkness…B…3.09 5…13-Moltenclaw's Invastion…B…3.07 6…10-Valkrill's Gambit…B…3.04 7…12-Warriors of Eberon…B…3.02 8…11-Chapions of the Forgotten Realms…B…2.94 9…1-Malliddon's Prophecy…B…2.90 10…4-Zenafor's Discovery…B…2.88 11…8-Defenders of Kinsland…B…2.82 12…3-Jandar's Oath…B-…2.58 13…7-Fields of Valor…C+…2.40 Now we've got some decent variation. And my excitement aside the DnD waves (11-13) are about average. By Expansion Pack (includes the Large expansions and the promotional/flag bearers, does not include terrain expansions.) Rank…Release…Grade…Average Power Ranking 1…Knights & Swog Rider…A-…3.86 2…Agent Skahen…A-…3.60 3…Soulborgs & Elves…A-…3.57 4…Warriors & Soulborgs…A-…3.57 5…Minute Men & Wolves…A-…3.57 6…Heroes Of Lindesfarme…A-…3.50 7…Bugbears and Orcs…A-…3.45 8…Soulborgs…B+…3.44 9…Dwarves & Repulsors…B+…3.34 10…Soldiers & Wolves…B+…3.34 11…Drones & Minions…B+…3.30 12…Forever Valiant…B+…3.30 13…Braves & Brawlers…B+…3.30 14…Ogre and Goblins…B+…3.24 15…Dividers & Defenders…B+…3.15 16…Grut Orcs…B…3.13 17…Heroes of Elswin…B…3.08 18…Golem and Wyrmlings…B…3.04 19…Valkrill's Legion…B…3.02 20…Heroes of the Quagmire…B…3.02 21…Warriors of the Ghostlight Fen…B…3.02 22…Zombie Horde…B…3.00 23…Sniper & Vipers…B…3.00 24…Greeks & Vipers…B…3.00 25…Heroes Of The Moon Tribe…B…2.96 26…Glaun Bog Raiders…B…2.96 27…Fury of the Primordials…B…2.94 28…Roman Legion…B…2.91 29…Heroes of Khorvaire…B…2.90 30…Kilts & Commandos…B…2.90 31…Veterans of the Last War…B…2.90 32…Elves…B…2.88 33…Heroes Of Barrenspur…B…2.85 34…Heroes of the Faerun…B…2.82 35…Ninjas & Samurai…B…2.80 36…Lawmen & Samurai…B-…2.77 37…Heroes Of Durgeth…B-…2.76 38…Shades & Orcs…B-…2.74 39…Warriors of Feldspar…B-…2.60 40…Sir Hawthorne…B-…2.60 41…Nerak The Glacian Swog Rider…B-…2.60 42…Ornak…B-…2.60 43…Fiends & Vampires…B-…2.56 44…Gorillas & Hounds…B-…2.50 45…Heroes Of Laur…B-…2.50 46…Monks & Guards…B-…2.45 47…Heroes Of Bleakwoode…C+…2.44 48…Gladiators & Agents…C+…2.43 49…Heroes Of Nastralund…C+…2.36 50…Heroes of the Molten Sea…C+…2.34 51…Archers & Kyrie…C+…2.30 52…Spearmen & Riflemen…C+…2.30 53…Marro Calvary…C+…2.30 54…Master Win Chiu Woo…C+…2.30 55…Heroes of Renown…C+…2.24 56…Heroes of Trollsford…C…1.90 57…Alcolarh…C-…1.60 58…Templar Knights…D+…1.30 Notice that hero packs tend to do worst in this ranking because they have 4-5 different grades to average over. A pack like Knights & Swog Rider has an A- average because there are only two units. If you just looked at the top two units in a Hero pack then Heroes of the Quagmire would be number 1. So what are the five worst expansions ever? (Excluding flag bearers and promotional) Templar Knights Heroes of Trollsford Heroes of Renown Marro Calvary Spearmen & Riflemen Ahh yes, the beloved Spearmen and Rifleman, the Calvary (human and Marro) and a couple of Hero packs. Renown wouldn't be there except for the Elite Onyx Vipers, Trollsford? well gosh. It's best unit is Valguard and that's only a C+. |
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
Nice List! Wave 1, 2 and 9 were my favorite and wave 9 is what got me to start buying waves in entirety.
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
If you only looked at the top 2, then it would be Raknar's vision, having a perfect 4.0 with Q9 (A+) and Nilfy (A), right?
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
It's no surprise that RotV is the highest-overall ranked master set; many of its army cards are still as good an investment as they were when released. See Raelin, KMA, Marro Warriors, NeGokSa.
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
I must be dense.
I don't see Raknar's, Alliance, or Orm's anwyhere on that last list. I freely admit, I don't know all the Heroes of XYwhatever names. cool info though Last edited by R˙chean; July 20th, 2011 at 07:51 PM. Reason: ? |
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
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20…Heroes of the Quagmire…B…3.02 (Aquilla's Alliance) 45…Heroes Of Laur…B-…2.50 (Orm's Return) |
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
Thanks! See, I knew I was dense. Last edited by R˙chean; July 20th, 2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: well there are 2 utterly useless posts by me...no wonder my rep to post ratio blows |
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
Are you missing 2 flag bearers? (Einar & Vydar)
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I remember a few different iterations of RotV: 1 - sparkly water, blue & red dice, window in box (1st edition) 2 - blue water, blue & red dice, window in box (1.5 edition?) 3 - blue water, all white dice, no window (2nd edition) 4 - Walmart version with EOV's, blue water, white dice, no window Great list by the way! Edit: In the immortal words of Emily Latella, "Never mind." I now see that you specifically mentioned the EOV's in your list. And in the words of R˙chean, "See, I knew I was dense!" Edit Again: In an effort to redeem this post, I'll just say that the Templar's may be the worst expansion from a ranking perspective, but I still think they are one of the best looking squads around! Draft 'em, charge 'em, watch 'em die, and then you can play with them on the table while waiting for others to take their turns. Saying good-by to Heroscape Get Real! http://www.reallifenow.org Check out some of my songs: www.myspace.com/rlccmusic Last edited by jbbnbsmith; July 22nd, 2011 at 01:52 PM. |
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Re: Best packs, waves, master sets based on Average Power Ra
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You mean I included some flagbearers? That was a mistake. The intent was to give a power rating to expansions, since flagbearers just have one unit if yiou want to find its power rank just look at the thread. Quote:
And about the Templars, well dude, embrace the suck! Actually I think anyone showing love for the Templars is embracing just a little too hard. But in an edit to my original post, I'd like to mention that one thing the power ratings don't respect is how an expansion changes the meta-game. In my best expansions ever thread wave 1 got a lot of respect because it was the first introduction of commons. I still think that waves 11-13 had the potential to have a similar impact on the meta-game--though I think that they haven't succeeded. |
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