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Old March 23rd, 2018, 12:25 PM
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Kraven is certainly a great value at 200.

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Re: The Book of Mantis (Vote for Public Playtest)

Definitely agreed there. Rated at a B- on the power rankings. I'd say when boosted by the right support figures, he's closer to B+.
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Not too familiar with Kraven (mostly because my Spidey-villain preference at 200 is most certainly Lizard) but I mostly haven't been disappointed on the times I've used him.


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Yeah, Kraven is a pretty good option at 200. I think there are a few other good 200 points options too, it is a good price point to build around. Which is why Gambit at 210 can seem so underwhelming some times. Mantis looks pretty good in that range after looking over those tests. yea
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Re: The Book of Mantis (Vote for Public Playtest)

I've ALWAYS found Kraven to be more than worth his points. I'd still draft him at 210...

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Re: The Book of Mantis (Vote for Public Playtest)

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Yeah, Kraven is a pretty good option at 200. I think there are a few other good 200 points options too, it is a good price point to build around. Which is why Gambit at 210 can seem so underwhelming some times. Mantis looks pretty good in that range after looking over those tests. yea
I always liked Gambit in the X-Men cartoons, but I never draft him at 210, which has honestly frustrated me a bit. In the end I houseruled it to drop him to 190 - always felt more fitting, 210 always felt overcosted.


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Did the CRB ever weigh in on the current version of the card?
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Re: The Book of Mantis (Public Playtest)

I don't recall getting retagged. The current version is kind of crazy, she's almost pre-fix Sage with a useful bonus tacked on. I have some tests I can get up tonight, but the long and short of it is the Om power (I never had need of the other powers) might not be quite broken but it is pretty close and encourages her to be drafted with a lot of werid stuff and most definitely not anything actually Guardians of the Galaxy related.


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Re: The Book of Mantis (Public Playtest)

Do you have a simple suggestion/solution/tweak that can limit it so we don't have to go through a redesign?

Perhaps the Commander Roger's revealed requirement?
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Re: The Book of Mantis (Public Playtest)

Got my tests written up:

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mantis @200 points

Army Test 1
Map: Island Plane Crash (No E-Glyph)
Units: Zemo Stew: Mantis (200), Loki (420), Barron Zemo (170), Green Lantern (J Stew) (340), Has Cap (220), Kirigi (175)- 1525 total vs Avengers of the Galaxy: Ms Marvel (350), Thor (430), Wasp II (160), Groot (275), Gamora (310)- 1525 total
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Army Test 2
Map: Island Plane Crash (No E-Glyph)
Units: Make Iron Patriot Great Again: Mantis (200), Iron Patriot (290), Vision (285), War Machine (270), Wonder Woman I (300)- 1345 total vs Cloudy with a Chance of Avenging: Ms Marvel (350), Thor (430), Wasp II (160), Weather Wizard (100), Gamora (310)- 1350 total
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Overall: Yikes, the baby version of original recipe Sage's power is still pretty scary especial with the no opponent interaction bit attached. I don't think it's quite broken (though there are a lot of ways to abuse a power like this and I might have missed something), but it does seem a bit odd that it encourages her to be used with dudes like Joker I and such far more than anyone who was actually a Guardian of the Galaxy.



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I mean that would fix the janky combo part, but it makes her an even worse choice for a thematic Guardian army (though that's never been the best use for Star-Lord anyway). None of them except Cosmo (sort of) really get anything special out of OM movement or the preventive bit, so she's mostly just a worse version of Zemo or Robot at that point unless you are using her as a counter-draft (it doesn't help that her species is a fairly step cost for a Star-Lord build).

Up to you if Guardian synergy is an issue though. She would have a little bit of synergy going with Cosmo with that version at least since he could 'turn on' her power with a Teleport turn, but that's pretty minor.


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Re: The Book of Mantis (Public Playtest)

Would this help? Tie her into the Guardians theme a bit harder?

Ragtag Empath

At the beginning of your turn there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may move an unrevealed Order Marker on any Unique Hero card in your army. An opponent may never remove or rearrange Order Markers on Unique Hero cards you control. You may only use this special power if no Unique Heroes in your army have the same Species, Class or Personality.

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Should also hopefully help to a degree, thanks to Joker, Ozymandias, Iron Patriot and Zemo all being Human - including any of them really limits your build options, and you can't include more than one.


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