The Book of Parmenio

[Revdyer]

Bats, I've expressed my opinion...the card says "For this game" and I take that to mean "for this game." The chosen figure, once disciplined, does not lose his or her discipline just because Parmenio dies or is mindshacked or otherwise hampered.

[IAmBatman]

I'm sold. Thanks, guys! I agreed with this but wanted to make sure I had the necessary ammo to convince others. Wish granted. Thank you!

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by Revdyer

Bats, I've expressed my opinion...the card says "For this game" and I take that to mean "for this game." The chosen figure, once disciplined, does not lose his or her discipline just because Parmenio dies or is mindshacked or otherwise hampered.

I agree with your assessment as re: death and mindshackling. However, what if he is negated? Does that change things? I can see an argument that, while neither death nor mindshackling impacts that very clear "for this game" wording, negating might be taken to just erase it. And if the "for this game" disappears, then it no longer applies ... at least I can see that side of the argument. Not sure if that's the right side though.

What does everyone else think?

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by Xotli

What does everyone else think?

That negation no more negates the previous effect of Parmenio's power than it negates previous effects of Braxas' Acid Breath. Parmenio's power doesn't constantly change the figure to disciplined. It does it once, at the beginning of the game.

~Aldin, counteringly

[Revdyer]

Originally Posted by Aldin

That negation no more negates the previous effect of Parmenio's power than it negates previous effects of Braxas' Acid Breath. Parmenio's power doesn't constantly change the figure to disciplined. It does it once, at the beginning of the game.

~Aldin, counteringly

I agree. That negation doesn't take away Kelda's previous healings, just future ones, is another example of why it doesn't undo what Parmenio had previously done.

[cavebehr]

In for a penny in for a pound. My understanding of cards is do what they say in the correct order. Par's card says to do it at the begining of the game, then if the chosen unique hero is lycanthroped it is changed to a lycanthrope from it changed disipline. Likewise you cannot negate untill you use morsbane or the glyph and both would come after the start of the game, so if you negate par's powers he has already chosen and used it at the start of the game. The point is mute, you would only be negating his defy death portion because his other power started at the begining of the game and says it lasts for the entire game, with the lycanthropy exception.

I am sure the rules people would agree with me, and have already said about the same things.

So thats my penny and my pound.

[Xotli]

Originally Posted by Aldin

That negation no more negates the previous effect of Parmenio's power than it negates previous effects of Braxas' Acid Breath. Parmenio's power doesn't constantly change the figure to disciplined. It does it once, at the beginning of the game.

~Aldin, counteringly

I agree. Let us remember that principle when I ask my next question, over in Morsbane's thread.

[IAmBatman]

Thanks for all the answers, by the way, guys!

[Ivellius]

Something I just thought of for clarification as well: does Disciplined Influence mean that a particular hero is immune to the personality-affecting portion of lycanthropy? The text says that the card's personality is disciplined regardless of what is listed, and I would think the Werewolf Lord merely alters what is listed on the card.

Thoughts?

[IAmBatman]

Disciplined replaces whatever the prior personality is, and replaces any synergy that would come from the prior personality.

[Ivellius]

Not really what I was asking ("Tormented" is an acquired personality), but it's answered in the Werewolf Lord's topic (Lycanthropy overrides it). Should've checked there.

[IAmBatman]

Gotcha. Sorry for the confusion - I'm not up on DnDscape.