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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Initial Playtesting Phase)

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT M. Bison


Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? I was concerned about M. Bison’s point cost being way too strong at first, but he really proved his worth as the game went on. 330 seems to be working so far.
- Give a brief overview. M. Bison is a powerful force if he can remain engaged with foes. This is achievable by use of Psycho Warp, but moving Enforcers was not as viable in a small army. With many Humans to prey on, Bison had great fun this game with Psycho Power.
Map: Violation.
Units: M. Bison (330), Balrog, and Firebrand (720) vs. Dhalsim, Ken, Chun-Li, Zangief, and E. Honda (720).
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? Another performance of similar strength. Though Bison died a bit earlier, he still got his good uses in and I think that 330 is working out so far.
- Give a brief overview. A larger army yields vastly difference results, especially with squaddies. The attack option is weaker due to the presence of squads, but the movement option on Psycho Power is much more useful.
Map: Violation.
Units: M. Bison (330), Lex Luthor II, and LexCorp Security x3 (1000) vs. Kingpin I, Elite League Assassins, Black Tarantula, Two-Face I, and Scorpion (Mac Gargan) (1000).
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.

- What should be the unit's point value? Woah, huge win for the Enforcers here. There were some wild rolls though, so I would account this one mostly to luck.
- Give a brief overview. M. Bison got use out of Psycho Crusher against a small team and the Enforcer movement option with few allies here.
Map: Violation.
Units: M. Bison (330), Balrog, and Firebrand (720) vs. Luke Cage, Jewel, Ryu, and Wildcat (720).
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: M. Bison performed pretty much as I expected him to. Sometimes, he was able to stick himself right into the fight and be an Order Marker hub for his team, while other times, careful Order Marker planning was utilized to take the fullest advantage of the engagement requirement and Psycho Crusher. Given all 3 games, I think 320 – 350 is feeling right for him.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: There is a lot going on with this guy. He has multiple choices to make every turn which leads to no two turns quite ending up the same. I am very happy with the design direction here.
Very fun games! I really like how he feels. The straight line requirement for Psycho Crusher wasn't very bad at all, so I think we'll keep it going forward. There are so many interesting positioning choices to be made with this guy and his goons.

See playtest notes for a bit more info. I am confident proposing an advance to Public Playtesting at 340 points to start.

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Re: The Book of M. Bison (VOTE for Public Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of M. Bison (VOTE for Public Playtesting)

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Been a little busy this week, but he's looking okay to me.
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Re: The Book of M. Bison (VOTE for Public Playtesting)

I just hate analyzing playtest results.

Looks like he came in pretty strong on that last game. Point bump is definitely warranted, and we'll see how he performs in public to see if he warrants any further tweaks. Using Psycho Power to make all the Street Fighters beat each other up sounds like a fun time. Yea
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Re: The Book of M. Bison (VOTE for Public Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Public Playtesting Phase)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT M. Bison
Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: M. Bison, Joe Fix-It, Reptile, Balrog, Killer Bee vs. Mister Fantastic, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch
Unit Summary
Damage: 1 wound LEA
Abilities: Psycho Warp Success 2/5 Times
Psycho Power: Move once, Attack Once
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: M. Bison, Joe Fix-It, Reptile, Balrog, Killer Bee vs Nightwing, Red Robin, Arsenal, Blue Beetle, Cyborg
Unit Summary
Damage: 13 wounds dealt
Abilities: Psycho Warp Success 3/6 Times
Psycho Power: Move 3 times, Attack 4 times, Control 2 time

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He feels almost overcosted here to me. The Special Attack never came up, because anytime I had a potential shot with it, I was going to wind up unengaged which felt more damaging than the following round. Even though game 2 was somewhat close, it was against a probably mid-tier (maybe) Titans army that was mostly humans, and that was with 0 Nightwing support due to a quick death from him.
GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I like the idea of him, and the idea of more enforcer synergy. But really I don’t feel like he fits well enough with them. Figures like Reptile want to move, and Balrog is just too to keep up half the time. Getting just a move or attack makes the army feel like it is moving slow, which I feel only works if you’re hitting Psycho Warp pretty reliably to stall. The mind control was fun, but you have to be careful with it so as to not lose engagement as well.
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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Public Playtesting Phase)

Interesting feedback. I thought he worked out quite well in my games but each person has a different experience. For now, I will drop him by 20 points for the next tester.

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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Public Playtesting Phase)

I don't know if it would be super necessary. He clearly did a lot of damage Game 2 for me. I think my (minor) annoyance is more on the lack of overall Enforcer synergy, rather than Bison himself. I may very well of had a different experience had I tweaked the army some and went for Firebrand rather than one of the more off-feeling ones.
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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Public Playtesting Phase)

After more thought, I am going to place him at 330 for the next tests. Enforcers are certainly underdeveloped, but future Street Fighter characters will flesh it out a little bit more with some units being designed to work well with Bison's powers.

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Re: The Book of M. Bison (Public Playtesting Phase)

What about changing Psycho Power so it works after taking a turn?

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