The Book of Colossus

[NecroBlade]

Originally Posted by Griffin

OK Mr. "Read the Card", lets look at what Wolverine's card says.

So when Wolverine attacks a figure with your cannon ball, he can use his Claws. Also, like Iron Man, he can attack multiple times. You should at least be aware of this if you are not already

Uh, yeah, I'm aware of all that. I meant the auto-skull is only added to the first attack, not any additional attacks from Berserker Rage.

and also be aware that this may bump Colosus' cost up some, which I would be OK with him being quite expensive. Heck, his auto shield with a defense of 6 is pretty nice, like Magneto on height with his shield up, only with a life of 6.... I am thinking this card is above 300 for sure.

Originally Posted by Adam Souza

I think he looks great, and is entirely playable, but I think he may be overcosted at 260.

He's essentially Captain America (220) with no ranged attack who gets an auto shield and can toss a team mate. Again he looks fun and playable, I just don't see his power being worth 40 points more than Caps

So roughly 520/2...or 260?

A +1 to the attack line is cool I guess, but the second line can be really confusing. I understand what you mean by "If Wolverine was the chosen figure, add 1 automatic skull instead." but that last word "instead" is sorta confusing. I mean, instead of what, everything that I just read?

Instead of the +1 die that's given to every figure who is not Wolverine. If others find it misleading or confusing (I don't see how it could be, since if you ignore everything before it the line "Wolverine adds an auto-skull" makes no sense by itself) feel free to suggest wording.

Originally Posted by Confred

Referring to the +1 bonus, is the intention on having the only the first hit with multiple normal attacking figures to receive the bonus or each hit for that attack sequence?

The first part is correct, only add to the first attack. That could be clarified with "add 1 attack die to that attack."

The purpose of enhancing Wolverine further is that is the most famous iteration of the Fastball Special: Colossus throwing Wolveirne. I wanted to encourage that interaction (and no, not any fighter).

The purpose of adding something to the (first) attack is to give you a reason to move Colossus over and throw someone since, elevations aside, chances are a lot of figures could move far enough to attack with an OM of their own.

[IAmBatman]

And Colossus is also giving up his own attack to make this attack, so it should be better than just if they attacked on their own. I agree with keeping the +1. I could still see going "Fighter" with the auto skull (or would +2 work better?) - the Wolverine association would still be clear.

[NecroBlade]

I debated +2 but went with auto-skull since a) he could throw figures with Deadly Strike or similar powers; and b) it takes out the possibility of 2 skulls, which, based on feedback so far, would seem like a bit much.

Also, be glad I love the C3G. I posted this thread last night because I was staying up to win, on eBay, Quasatch Hunters which I need to complete (and I mean complete) my collection. I hadn't bid yet, but was going to at the last minute (and it would've worked, too). But I decided to post Colossus while the auction ticked down, my browser screwed up and almost lost the whole post, and by the time I got it fixed the Quasatch were someone else's.

[IAmBatman]

Heh. I think C3G loves you too.
The auto skull thing still looks a bit confusing when you read it, I think, but I'll have to toss it around in my mind and come up with an alternate suggestion if I really want to make an issue out of it.

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by Hahma

Now is Fighter route meant to only be able use Fastball Special with Fighter class units? I think I missed that discussion. If that were the case, it would severely limit the use and value of the power. If that were the case and it was suggested that his cost be based on being able to throw Wolverine because it's a best case scenario, then Colossus' would be overcosted by a bit when not having Wolverine in his army.

No, I just meant the part specific to Wolverine should be expanded to Fighters, not that the whole power should be restricted to Fighters.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by GreyOwl

No, I just meant the part specific to Wolverine should be expanded to Fighters, not that the whole power should be restricted to Fighters.

I know you're clarifying for Hahma here, but I wanted to mention that I understood and loved your suggestion. Part of me wishes we'd made Cupid's Arrow work on all Archers. I think Colossus is a great character and I don't want to feel like I'm leaving points on the table when I'm drafting him in an army that doesn't include Wolverine. Leaving this a little more open ended helps with that, I think.

[NecroBlade]

Why would you be 'leaving points on the table' if you don't draft Wolverine? Realistically, there should be no cost built in in case you draft both. It's a situational power that already has a lot of points built into it (280 + ~260). If you draft Colossus, you draft him for the ability to throw anyone and be a tank. The Wolverine interaction is just icing (and only 50% better icing than the generic +1).

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, what I mean, though, is I would feel like I wasn't taking full advantage of my choice to include Colossus in my army unless I took that 50% better icing.

[NecroBlade]

I certainly sympathize with that point; I always want to get all benefits possible out of a card. But points getting left on the table happens, especially with units that end in 5 (which is why I enjoy designing units that end in 5). Points could be left if you don't get Valiant or Disciplined Defense bonuses (though honestly the first one isn't that big a deal since the 4th are good anyway); if your AE don't Drop; if there are no Utgar figures opposing Ana Karithon; if you fill 90 points with Atlaga for a 25% chance insta-kill-anything with no other Kyrie; heck, if you take Axegrinders and none of the Dwarf Heroes. All of which aren't likely to happen, but they're possible. I just want people to want to play Colossus/Wolverine, but not feel like they have to (which a +1/auto-skull bonus accomplishes better than nothing/+1, IMO).

[Spidey'tilIDie]

WOW!!! You go away for a few days and... WOW! I am lovign the direction of Colossus! I like his relative simplicity, he is obviously the X-Men Tank (in every sense of the word) and I love where Fastball is heading. Perhaps, the clause about Wolverine should come first, like "choose a small or medium figure. If the figure is Wolverine... For any other figure chosen,..." This would, I believe, make it more clear. Again, great stuff going here. Colossus has long been my favorite X-man and you are doing a great job with him.

[quozl]

I want to play Colossus/Wolverine and I don't need any bonus.

[NecroBlade]

Good suggestion Spidey! And quozl, you're not helping.

How's this?

FASTBALL SPECIAL
Instead of attacking, choose an adjacent small or medium figure you control to throw. Place the chosen figure on any empty space within 5 clear sight spaces of Colossus and that figure may immediately attack normally. If the chosen figure is Wolverine 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled. For any other chosen figure, add 1 attack die. Fastball Special may only be used if the chosen figure is unengaged and can be placed adjacent to an enemy figure.