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[Kinseth]

Originally Posted by The Dewk

This guy gets it Haha thanks Pumpkin_King!

Aquilla summons creatures to her cause, would this be a figure that she would summon? Does it fit in her core beliefs?

How many Goblins have you run across that are good? Humans are all across the spectrum, but everywhere I see a goblin, it is a bad goblin. (Unless you are a huge Hary Potter fan, but I haven't seen Heroscape pull from Harry Potter... So that is a very WEAK argument in my eyes.)

[Dad_Scaper]

I like him as-is. Aquilla (the chaotic neutral general) is a good alternate general for wayward goblins; Einar would be (as the lawful neutral general) unacceptable.

The one thing that I want to ask about is the theme of Sneak Thief. What is the theme there, and what does that theme have to do with the name of the power? Because it may be that the name can be improved. Or it may be that the name is fine.

edit: Kinseth ninja. Aquilla's forces are definitely not all "good." Some of them are wild and dangerous. I don't have a problem with Aquilla. The C3V has made evil elves and evil dwarves; I don't see why the canon cannot tolerate an Aquilla goblin. He is the Drizz't of his kind, or something like that.

[Kinseth]

How about instead of sneak thief = Opportunity Knocks

[Dad_Scaper]

Well, I actually *like* how Sneak Thief is closely related to the mini and the theme of the unit. What I want to know is how it's related to the theme of the power. If it works, great. I just want to hear how it works.

[dok]

My favorite idea for Templar Infantry has always been to turn the cavalry into a 2-life unit. Here's a 1-power version of it:

UNMOUNTED RIDER
If a Templar Cavalry Knight you control receives one or more wounds, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-10, replace that Knight immediately, if possible, with one of your own previously destroyed Templar Infantry. If you roll a 11-20, you may destroy a Templar Infantry you control that is adjacent to that Knight to ignore any wounds that Knight just received.

Basically, 1-10 means the horse dies (and the rider continues on foot), 11-20 means the rider dies (and the horse can be mounted by another knight if one is there). You could very reasonably include a third, bad outcome - say, on 1-3 you can't do anything special (i.e. both horse and rider cannot continue). You would also probably want to playtest to figure out if some split other than 50/50 between horse and rider deaths improves the playability.

I think this is really cool and thematic, and makes them more competitive in a pretty unique way, but opinions vary.

[Sir Heroscape]

Originally Posted by dok

My favorite idea for Templar Infantry has always been to turn the cavalry into a 2-life unit. Here's a 1-power version of it:

UNMOUNTED RIDER
If a Templar Cavalry Knight you control receives one or more wounds, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-10, replace that Knight immediately, if possible, with one of your own previously destroyed Templar Infantry. If you roll a 11-20, you may destroy a Templar Infantry you control that is adjacent to that Knight to ignore any wounds that Knight just received.

Basically, 1-10 means the horse dies (and the rider continues on foot), 11-20 means the rider dies (and the horse can be mounted by another knight if one is there). You could very reasonably include a third, bad outcome - say, on 1-3 you can't do anything special (i.e. both horse and rider cannot continue). You would also probably want to playtest to figure out if some split other than 50/50 between horse and rider deaths improves the playability.

I think this is really cool and thematic, and makes them more competitive in a pretty unique way, but opinions vary.

That's defintiely another cool and unique power to consider, thank you!

[The Dewk]

Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

I like him as-is. Aquilla (the chaotic neutral general) is a good alternate general for wayward goblins; Einar would be (as the lawful neutral general) unacceptable.

The one thing that I want to ask about is the theme of Sneak Thief. What is the theme there, and what does that theme have to do with the name of the power? Because it may be that the name can be improved. Or it may be that the name is fine.

edit: Kinseth ninja. Aquilla's forces are definitely not all "good." Some of them are wild and dangerous. I don't have a problem with Aquilla. The C3V has made evil elves and evil dwarves; I don't see why the canon cannot tolerate an Aquilla goblin. He is the Drizz't of his kind, or something like that.

Ah, thank you for putting it like that. You explained it better than I could, really. Logos > pathos

His Sneak Thief ability used to be called "Goblin Looting" actually. But that sort of implied that he was looting the dead bodies of his allies. So it was renamed Sneak Thief and sort of tied into his bio. I am 100% open to renaming it.

Originally Posted by Kinseth

How about instead of sneak thief = Opportunity Knocks

By volunteering that, am I good with using it? Something like Opportunity Knocks is spot on!

[Dad_Scaper]

I don't like Opportunity Knocks. Please, Dewk, explain the theme of this power. It doesn't need to be a great explanation, but give it a shot. Then we can work on a name.

[Kinseth]

Originally Posted by dok

My favorite idea for Templar Infantry has always been to turn the cavalry into a 2-life unit. Here's a 1-power version of it:

UNMOUNTED RIDER
If a Templar Cavalry Knight you control receives one or more wounds, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-10, replace that Knight immediately, if possible, with one of your own previously destroyed Templar Infantry. If you roll a 11-20, you may destroy a Templar Infantry you control that is adjacent to that Knight to ignore any wounds that Knight just received.

Basically, 1-10 means the horse dies (and the rider continues on foot), 11-20 means the rider dies (and the horse can be mounted by another knight if one is there). You could very reasonably include a third, bad outcome - say, on 1-3 you can't do anything special (i.e. both horse and rider cannot continue). You would also probably want to playtest to figure out if some split other than 50/50 between horse and rider deaths improves the playability.

I think this is really cool and thematic, and makes them more competitive in a pretty unique way, but opinions vary.

Waaaay cool, and unique idea!

[The Dewk]

Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

I don't like Opportunity Knocks. Please, Dewk, explain the theme of this power. It doesn't need to be a great explanation, but give it a shot. Then we can work on a name.

Certainly. Although violent at times, goblins have always struck me as sly opportunists. Whether it's stealing shiny items or important looking documents, or engaging in dishonorable combat techniques like backstabbing or groin kicking, goblins have a keen sense of self-preservation and primal pragmatism. The theme of Sneak Thief is more along the lines of the former idea, but has elements of the latter idea as well.

"My ally received his orders, and was going to strike, but was himself struck down. I am aware of his orders, and can perhaps use this opportunity to get in an underhanded strike of my own!"

Edit: Is "Goblin Opportunism" too much of a mouthful?

[Dad_Scaper]

Let's riff on what you and Kinseth have both suggested, and combine them thusly:

Opportunistic Thief

[The Dewk]

Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

Let's riff on what you and Kinseth have both suggested, and combine them thusly:

Opportunistic Thief

I like it! Five syllables vs one syllable is a price I'm willing to pay for a better name. Thank you.