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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

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I would be happy to try 4L/5D.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

I like the 6L/4D we have now. If you look at a probability table, I’d compare average damage of 3v4 and 3v5 and life. On average, 9 attacks of three kill him at 4L/5D while it takes 10.3 at 6L/4D. That’s the difference between taking him out in a round or not.

Major Q10 has 4L/5D and I wouldn’t consider him a tank, which is think is where this character is supposed to be.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

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I like the 6L/4D we have now. If you look at a probability table, I’d compare average damage of 3v4 and 3v5 and life. On average, 9 attacks of three kill him at 4L/5D while it takes 10.3 at 6L/4D. That’s the difference between taking him out in a round or not.

Major Q10 has 4L/5D and I wouldn’t consider him a tank, which is think is where this character is supposed to be.
Agreed. If this guy is going to be a defender, he does need the stats of one. And it can't be much more frustating than Tandros, I'd imagine.

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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

As long as he remains worth putting order markers on, I don't really care if we want a more expensive tougher guy or a cheaper weaker guy. Either is fine.

I would like to revisit Necro's discussion from a couple pages ago. Limiting Tether to opponent's figures would help focus the design.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

Limiting the Tether to opponent's figures seems like a good change to me. We have several figures with some kind of bonus movement going on already, and I don't think that the extra utility of moving your own figures is super intuitive (plus, as Scytale said, it kind of dilutes Dienekes' focus as a defender).
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

Thanks @S1R_ART0R1US for stats. I guess we either have 6L, 4D, or maybe we can make him 5L, 5D (if that is not too generic).

As for Tethering your own figures, since you must do after the figure finishes movement and is variable, I think there are very few situations where you would end your move and be OK ending there but prefer next to Dienekes. So I am Ok with keeping it only opponent's figures.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

Done.

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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

I'm going to propose changing Life to 4 and Defense to 5.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

How about 5L, 5D - or is that too generic?
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

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How about 5L, 5D - or is that too generic?
Eh, 5D is a little outside of the 4~5L 3~4D norm. Not much though. I could get behind 4 or 5 Life.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

Yea, 5L, 5D would be on par with Siege, still less than Ne-Gok-Sa's 6D, and statistically just slightly better than Tandros Kreel's 7L, 4D, which is I think where we want him as the ultimate meat shield. Now that I think about it regardless of 4L or 5L is 90 points too cheap or right or not sure? Why I ask is NGS is undercosted at 90 but Tandros is over-costed at 120, although they are not 1-to1 as have other powers/uses.
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Re: [Pod 1] DIENEKES (Gideon Jura, Combat Mage) - Testing

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Yea, 5L, 5D would be on par with Siege, still less than Ne-Gok-Sa's 6D, and statistically just slightly better than Tandros Kreel's 7L, 4D, which is I think where we want him as the ultimate meat shield. Now that I think about it regardless of 4L or 5L is 90 points too cheap or right or not sure? Why I ask is NGS is undercosted at 90 but Tandros is over-costed at 120, although they are not 1-to1 as have other powers/uses.
I think 90 is a good guess for 4L 5D, and too low for 5L 5D.
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