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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Initial Playtesting)

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C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Beast

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Beast(210), Vision(340), Spider-Man(280), Wolverine(270) (1100)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Thing II(340), Swordsman(160) (1100)
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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Beast(210), Vision(340), Spider-Man(280), Scarlet Witch(360), Final Ruin(10) (1200)
vs.
Black Canary(220), Green Arrow(210), Hawkwoman(260), Wonder Woman(310), Plastic Man(200) (1200)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Beast(210), Ms. Marvel(350), Doctor Strange(330), Oracle(110) (1000)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1000)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 4
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Beast(210), Magneto(375), Wolverine(270), Destiny(55), Sage(190) (1100)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(300), She-Hulk(310) (1100)
Spoiler Alert!


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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
He's pretty useful and fun. Astute Avenger won't make a giant impact unless the opponent really values their X, and they stack all their numbered Order Markers on the same figure. The fact that it is left in the opponent's hands on how the bonus plays out, keeps it very well in check when it comes to stacking bonuses with other d20 boosters. The opponent can choose where to put the X with the purpose to essentially ignore the boost potential. However, this can also benefit Beast's army when paired with someone like Vision or Strange who then won't have to worry about stripping/moving the X instead of a numbered OM. It also means armies that do care about X, have a decision to make, potentially sacrificing their X ability to stop the boost. Plays really well on both sides.

Medical Analysis proved useful in the first couple games, but then the opponent caught on for games 3 and 4, where they prioritized Beast to make sure wounds weren't getting healed. If you can keep Beast protected, the healing can really help the army stay in the fight, which felt great. Even putting the focus on Beast meant the heat could stay off some of the primary offense units, which also helped.

Beast Agility was nice just for movement. Getting into position quicker, or jumping away after defending to avoid further attacks, or just to get into ideal positioning to start healing allies, served its purpose. The extra LEA roll opportunity is also nice, using Beast as a way to deter people from leaving engagements with him, which can come in handy especially when paired with Strange.

Overall, he is pretty easy to take out with 5 life and 6 defense, with no specials really adding to his survivability. So prioritizing him wasn't too difficult. 210 might be a tad high, but we will see how he plays for others.

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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Initial Playtesting)

I propose a vote to move to Public Playtesting.
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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Vote 4 Public Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Public Playtesting)

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Here are my results from my Beast playtest. I want to like him but couldn't use him over the other options available. I wonder if he would work better with the Wasp/She-Hulk 2 combo?

If you need more info let me know.

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Beast (Avengers)

Version tested:
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Captain America 240, Bucky, War Machine, Iron Man 220, Beast VS Baron Zemo 170, Punisher, Wonder Man, Taskmaster,
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Army Test
Map: Martian War Zone
Units: Captain America 240, Ms Marvel 350, MODOK, Beast VS Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon 175, Groot 275, Gamora 300, Swordsman
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: 210 doesn't seem far off base. I could see him at lower though.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I had a hard time figuring out how to play Beast. His Astute Avenger power is pretty sweet. I tried to put some d20 powered figures with him. It kind of helped them, even it if was only as a threat. If he's on an Avengers team I feel like there is always going to be better offensive options so I found it hard to put order markers on him to be able to get him into position to use his healing power. His Beast Agility helps him get next to teammates or to engage enemies. I like Beast on paper but I had a tough time making him feel like a useful teammate.
Couple of swingy games, but Beast seems to be looking good still.
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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Public Playtesting)

I do think Eric's input is valuable, but I also think there's lots of ways to optimize Beast that he didn't use, such as Avengers Hawkeye. It doesn't seem like he'll be a major offensive piece, but the first Beast is that already so I'm fine with this one being a slightly more passive McCoy.
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT : BEAST II


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Army Test
Map : Conflict Chernobyl (No Glyphs)
Units :
Beast (210), Ms. Marvel (350),Spider-Woman (210), Phoenix (230)
= 1000


VS.

Green Arrow II (210), Hawkwoman (260), Green Lantern *Simon* (260), Green Lantern *Jessica* (270)
= 1000


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Army Test
Map : Conflict Chernobyl (No Glyphs)
Units :
Beast (210), Captain America (240), Positron (220), Robot (210), Vampirella (320)
= 1200


VS.

Doctor Octopus II (250), Johnny Quick (230), Kraven (200), Vulture (90), Rhino (220), Sandman (210)
= 1200


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Thoughts on the Tested Unit's Cost, Balance, and Draftability : Feels fine here. 210 feels on point, and I can see myself drafting him in Avenger or Mutant armies. The two skulls on disengage was never used, but the idea of it kept figures from leaving engagements with him.

General Thoughts on the Tested Unit : I was playing Beast as a support hero that can fight some, but I think he’s more a fighter hero that can support some, if that makes sense. He has solid stats, and Beast Agility lets him be near whoever he wants. Astute Avenger and Medical Analysis felt like more of a bonus than anything to me. If that's what you were aiming for, I think he fits the “melee bruiser that can do some light support” niche really well.
With him going 1-3 for me, and 2-2 in public, 3-5 overall, I'm thinking we're in a pretty good place here. 200 seems like a reasonable landing point.

I propose a vote to move to Final Editing at 200.
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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Vote 4 Final Editing)

Why not 210 if he was playing balanced at that cost?

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Re: The Book of Beast (Avengers) (Vote 4 Final Editing)

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Why not 210 if he was playing balanced at that cost?
Not against 210 either, but I felt he could come down a hair, and so did Eric, so a drop by 10 to 200 seemed right. His Astute Avenger power is in the hands of the opponent and is pretty matchup dependent, so it can be hit or miss. The healing is nice but requires some strategy to keep available, and makes him a go to for the opponent to shut it down(at which point, he lost all 3 of his games when the opponent prioritized him). Beast Agility was neat and useful but not powerful.

So my logic was, drop him 10 points, allows him to be a flat 200 to fit easily as an add-on to any 800/900/1000 point builds. This also allows a potential Illuminati build of Strange(320), Beast(200), Iron Man(270), and Black Panther II(210) (1000), which if Beast was 210, then BP would need to be 200, which BP (I) already is thus I'd imagine we'd try to avoid that.

But, as I said, 210 is also fine if that's a preference for others.
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Sounds good. Just wanted to know the rationale. Yea

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