The Book of Caitlin Snow

[japes]

Hmm looks familiar.

I promise I wasn't trying to get you to change anything with our chat today but I must say that I'm way more interested in her now.

This feels a lot more like Caitlin and Frost.

[Yodaking]

So vote yea then.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, the timing on things like the Frost Marker are definitely things I'm open to tweaking based on how she plays.

Originally Posted by Yodaking

So vote yea then.

Right?

[LordVenoc]

Is there a reason this turned into weird lunchboxy Caitlin? Like you're referencing things that are clearly TV Caitlin, but throwing in elements that are definitely not present with TV Caitlin and are a comic Caitlin rendition?

Not saying its wrong, just trying to figure out intent with the design here. Its a weird mish mash that doesn't feel distinctly one or the other.

[IAmBatman]

Yes. I'm attempting to make a design that's fun, playable, and appealing to folks I get feedback from.

[IAmBatman]

*sigh* Guess it's poll time:

LUNCHBOX

NAME = KILLER FROST
SECRET IDENTITY = CAITLIN SNOW

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 2
POINTS = 230

CRYOKINETIC PHYSIOLOGY
If your Frost Marker is on this card, add 3 to Killer Frost's Range, Attack and Defense and she is considered to have the Ice Resistance special power. Before rolling defense dice for Killer Frost, or at the start of the round, if the Frost Marker is not on this card, you may place it on this card and remove a Wound Marker from this card.

CRAVING HEAT
After revealing an Order Marker on a card you control, if your Frost Marker is on this card, you must either place a wound on this card or on the Army Card of a figure adjacent to Killer Frost. If you place a wound on the Army Card of an adjacent figure you may remove the Frost Marker from this card, and if that figure has the Lava Resistant special power, you may remove one wound from this card.

METAHUMAN DIAGNOSTICIAN 16
After moving, if your Frost Marker is not on this card, you may choose a Metahuman adjacent to Killer Frost and roll the 20-sided die. Add 4 to your roll if the “X” Order Marker has been revealed on any Army Card you control this round and add 4 to your roll if the chosen figure has the Super Speed special power. If you roll 16 or higher, remove up to 2 wounds from the chosen figure’s Army Card.

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TV SHOW

NAME = KILLER FROST
SECRET IDENTITY = CAITLIN SNOW

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 2
POINTS = 200

CRYOKINETIC PHYSIOLOGY
If your Frost Marker is on this card, add 3 to Killer Frost's Range, Attack and Defense and she is considered to have the Ice Resistance special power. After rolling defense dice for Killer Frost, or at the start of the round, if the Frost Marker is not on this card, you may place it on this card and remove a Wound Marker from this card.

METAHUMAN DIAGNOSTICIAN 16
After moving, if your Frost Marker is not on this card, you may choose a Metahuman adjacent to Killer Frost and roll the 20-sided die. Add 4 to your roll if the “X” Order Marker has been revealed on any Army Card you control this round and add 4 to your roll if the chosen figure has the Super Speed special power. If you roll 16 or higher, remove up to 2 wounds from the chosen figure’s Army Card.

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COMIC BOOK VILLAIN

NAME = KILLER FROST
SECRET IDENTITY = CAITLIN SNOW

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIMINAL
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5
POINTS = 210

CRAVING HEAT
After revealing an Order Marker on a card you control, if your Frost Marker is on this card, you must either place a wound on this card or on the Army Card of a figure adjacent to Killer Frost. If you place a wound on the Army Card of an adjacent figure you may remove the Frost Marker from this card, and if that figure has the Lava Resistant special power, you may remove one wound from this card.

ICE DARTS SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 3. Attack 1.
When Killer Frost attacks with this special attack, she may attack 1 additional time. Each skull rolled counts for one additional hit against figures with the Ice Resistance special power or for two additional hits against other figures.

LAVA RESISTANT
Killer Frost never rolls for molten lava damage or lava field damage and does not have to stop in molten lava spaces.

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COMIC BOOK HERO

NAME = KILLER FROST
SECRET IDENTITY = CAITLIN SNOW

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5
POINTS = 210

CRAVING HEAT
After revealing an Order Marker on a card you control, you must either place a wound on this card or on the Army Card of a figure adjacent to Killer Frost. If you place a wound on the Army Card of an adjacent figure you must place a Heat Marker on this card, up to a maximum of 3, and if that figure has the Lava Resistant special power, you may remove one wound from this card.

HEAT ABSORPTION
Before attacking you may remove any number of Heat Markers from this card. Add one automatic skull to Killer Frost’s attack for each Heat Marker removed.

LAVA RESISTANT
Killer Frost never rolls for molten lava damage or lava field damage and does not have to stop in molten lava spaces.

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I'm going to let the vote keep going as well, since the current version is the one I find the most interesting and am ready to test. But if popular opinion is for another version, I'll go that way.

So let me know!

[MrNobody]

I personally don't care at all about the TV show version, but I don't wants Bats to feel trapped in an LD for a character he doesn't care about, so I vote TV Show version. That's pretty clearly where the passion is, and I'd rather just be honest about that instead of forcing this design to be a weird mish-mash.

That said, I do like the concept behind the Craving Heat power.

[Arch-vile]

I’d prefer just picking a character rather than the weird fusion that doesn’t fit any of the characters. My favorite is the TV version. I’m not going to nay any of them though, as I feel like the design is fine mechanically.

[Yodaking]

I'm most interested in the TV Show Killer Frost as that's the only real reference point I have for her. Of course she was also on one of the other Earth's as a full on bad girl in that show, so TV Show version could be Team Flash hero or straight up Villain. I'm fine going with a lunch box version that combines TV Show Team Flash hero with a comic book take on a hero version if that makes more people happy about the design. As such my vote stands. More that anything, I'd like to at least have a card that is playable.

[Lord Pyre]

Never seen the show and never read the character, so my thoughts don't apply here.

[LordVenoc]

Lunchbox is probably the least interesting to me. I say pick one of the lanes and go all in on it.

[IAmBatman]

OK. So here's my dilemma:

1. I'm most mechanically interested in playing with Craving Heat. I think it's a cool power concept where she has to "feed" or self-combust
2. I'm most factionally interested in building Team Flash.
3. Those things seem incompatible.
4. The Team Flash version isn't mechanically interesting.
5. Craving Heat is its most interesting with the marker interplay, IMO, but that doesn't seem to work in anything but a lunchbox version.

So I'm weighing these options right now:
1. Going all in on Team Flash and trying to find something I can be mechanically interested in
2. Going all in on Craving Heat and trying to make a mechanically interesting Champion design that work with the JL Faction instead of being focused on working with Team Flash
3. Scrapping this hot mess and working on Harvey Bullock instead.

Option 3 is the current clubhouse leader.