The Book of Upside Down

[Qualizium]

Well, assuming you avoid the turn 1 tie (either by Nick Fury or some other method), you can still potentially win the main battlefield to score a point, whereas the other player will have to win the Upside Down, which they might not even have a way to access by their own volition.

[IAmBatman]

Actually, nope, it's not an auto-tie, it's an auto-loss if you lose initiative.

Each winner of each battlefield is awarded 1 victory point. If a battlefield was occupied only by figures drafted by one player or team at the start of game and is won by that player or team, that player or team does not receive a victory point. The player or players with the most victory points are deemed to be the winners of the game.

[Qualizium]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Actually, nope, it's not an auto-tie, it's an auto-loss if you lose initiative.

The main battlefield would have been occupied only by figures drafted by the non-demogorgon player at the start of the game, and thus they would be unable to earn a point from it.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Qualizium

The main battlefield would have been occupied only by figures drafted by the non-demogorgon player at the start of the game, and thus they would be unable to earn a point from it.

Ah, then the game doesn't start until that changes.

[Qualizium]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Ah, then the game doesn't start until that changes.

Why not?

[IAmBatman]

Ah, I see what you're saying. New territory, so difficult for my brain to wrap around at times. Here's an attempt:

Each winner of each battlefield is awarded 1 victory point. If a battlefield was occupied only by figures drafted by one player or team at the start of game, that battlefield is worth 0 victory points. The player or players with the most victory points are deemed to be the winners of the game. If no battlefield can award victory points, the game cannot be played.

[Splash]

By the way, were these rulings just for using this map or are they for a Battlefields Divided update? @Ronin I don't remember if it was clear.

[Ronin]

Intended as the latter. Galactus rules were originally written on the presumption that you wouldn't start with separate battlefields.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Ronin

Intended as the latter. Galactus rules were originally written on the presumption that you wouldn't start with separate battlefields.

What do you think of my above tweak of what you had? Do you think that works?

[Ronin]

Yeah, that seems fine. The reason I wasn't worried about that initially was that I didn't realize we didn't check victory conditions at the start of the game.

Admittedly, kind of a weird thing to even come up, but I was thinking of it more like "don't check during a turn" vs strictly "check at the end of each turn". Shutting down the weird Nick Fury gambit is a good idea.

[Qualizium]

If the original intent of the rule is to prevent someone with one or more demogorgons from getting an easy point from the Upside Down, why not just add "The Upside Down is worth 0 victory points" to the Upside Down specifically and axe all the unintuitive stuff about units on the battlefield at the start of the game with its bizarre ramifications.

[Ronin]

Because that would let the Demogorgons pull off janky easy wins. Feel free to go read through that thread.