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Old July 15th, 2016, 05:22 PM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

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  • I re-worded Excalibur Commander so that CB only needs to attack an opponent's figure to trigger it.
  • I added the number to Self Doubt 3.
  • I re-worded the trigger so that he doesn't get self-doubt in the case where a defensive power kicks in before defense dice are rolled. This feels more thematic to me and less gamey.
  • I changed it from dropping attack and defense to dropping attack and move. (This actually brings it more closely into alignment with Psycho-Man's doubt marker, actually.)
Like the changes.

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I'm still considering if we want some "heroic return to power" clause. It's an interesting idea but I don't want too much complexity creep here.
I'd say we're better off without, after cutting the defense nerf from Self-Doubt. He wouldn't need it as much now, so I'd rather keep the card cleaner and leave it out.

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I like the look of "doubt marker" instead of "self-doubt marker" too, but I was concerned about confusing it with Psycho-Man's markers. Should I be concerned about that?
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Personality-wise, though, I've always seen him as a bit more of a hardliner than anything else, so Self-Doubting feels a bit offbase to me.
I'm up for alternative suggestions.

On the subject of the markers, the way Psycho-Man's powers are worded, I don't think there's a mechanical issue with calling them Doubt Markers. Especially since Psycho-Man never really references Doubt Markers, just "the appropriate gray Control Marker", and specifically refers to his own markers in any case. I don't think there could be much of an issue with getting anything mixed up, especially if you give Captain Britain's markers a color other than gray.

Personality wise.... maybe Patriotic? It would give Uncle Sam another non-American buddy.
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Old July 15th, 2016, 06:02 PM
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

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On the subject of the markers, the way Psycho-Man's powers are worded, I don't think there's a mechanical issue with calling them Doubt Markers. Especially since Psycho-Man never really references Doubt Markers, just "the appropriate gray Control Marker", and specifically refers to his own markers in any case. I don't think there could be much of an issue with getting anything mixed up, especially if you give Captain Britain's markers a color other than gray.

Personality wise.... maybe Patriotic? It would give Uncle Sam another non-American buddy.
I like both of these suggestions. I'm out until Sunday so I'll let other thoughts roll in until then. I'll probably propose this design for an initial test next week.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

I also prefer the simplicity of the current design. If he comes in too weak in testing, we can always look at powering him up. Even with 3 Doubt markers on his card, he still has 4 Attack, so he's not totally useless at that point.

to Patriotic. Fits well enough given how much of his backstory is tied into British history and Arthurian legend.

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Throwing this out as an option:

Instead of self-doubt, how about building confidence? Start with low Attack and Move and increase them as he performs feats. (rolls at least 3 skulls and inflicts a wound, perhaps)
Eh, it's not so much that he gets stronger when he's doing well, as it is that he gets weaker when things don't do well and his confidence is low. His default state is super-powerful, but he's weaker when he's doubting himself.

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

I feel like Valiant makes a bit more sense than Patriotic but I'm fine with either.

We could also switch to Confidence Markers and have him start with three and lose them if he fails. Six of one, half-dozen of another. I'll leave it to the LD's choice.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

Well Zatanna can remove a marker from a card, so do you want her removing a doubt marker and making him stronger or removing a confidence marker and making him weaker?
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

This book needs to say what phase it's in... It looks like a finished design.

Like the direction. However, if his self-confidence is low (3 markers), should he also lose his command ability?

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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

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We could also switch to Confidence Markers and have him start with three and lose them if he fails. Six of one, half-dozen of another. I'll leave it to the LD's choice.

I like this as well but honestly 50/50

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Well Zatanna can remove a marker from a card, so do you want her removing a doubt marker and making him stronger or removing a confidence marker and making him weaker?

It would make more sense to make him weaker I feel but again not any sort of deal breaker.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain

Anyone who has a preference between patriotic and valiant let me know. I do kind of like patriotic for the funny cross-pond synergy, plus it's not like only Americans can be Patriotic.

I have zero opinion on Zatanna interaction but I suppose it makes sense that a negated Captain Britain would have a lower attack. Just trying it on for size...

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Begin the game with 3 confidence markers on this card. Add 1 to Captain Britain's Move and Attack numbers for each confidence marker on this card. After an opponent rolls defense dice against an attack from Captain Britain, if Captain Britain did not inflict at least 1 wound, remove a confidence marker from this card. If there are no confidence markers on this card, Captain Britain cannot use his Flying or Super-Strength special powers. If Captain Britain inflicts a wound when attacking with a normal attack, you may place a previously removed Confidence Marker on this card.
I don't have a strong opinion here. On the upside, the interaction with negation (and, I imagine, Zatanna) makes more sense, and it matches familiar wording from the lanterns. On the downside, it's a bit more wordy, and (as with the lanterns) it makes it harder to grasp the power of the card just by looking at the stats. I suppose it does fit our precedents a bit better.

Semi-connected to this: I'm considering bumping his movement by 1, just because I think he should have a move of 4 when stripped of his power. I suppose Blue Lantern gives us the precedent of a move of 3, but without flying it's pretty bad.

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if his self-confidence is low (3 markers), should he also lose his command ability?
My feeling is no, because his leadership doesn't come from supernatural power. I also prefer he keeps it from a gameplay perspective.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Design phase

I mildly prefer the Confidence direction, but it's not a strong opinion.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Design phase

I don't think there's a big difference either way on the Zatanna interaction. If she's friendly, the doubt works better, she can alleviate that. If she's hostile, the confidence works better, she can take it away. No strong opinion on which way to go there, or on patriotic/valiant.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Design phase

I prefer Patriotic, and slightly favor the confidence direction. Okay with moving move up by 1 as well. When fully confident in his ability he is quick to charge forward and get into a fight.
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Re: The Book of Captain Britain - Design phase

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I prefer Patriotic, and slightly favor the confidence direction. Okay with moving move up by 1 as well. When fully confident in his ability he is quick to charge forward and get into a fight.
I 2nd all of this.
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