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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
This is answered in the FAQ now where it says "The Door cannot be engaged".
Edit: Hmm... I don't see it in the FAQ. Yet I put it in the rules page on my site. Quote:
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Official Frequently Asked Questions www.Heroscape.com
September 2010 Version 13.4 Destructible Objects See Errata Section Below. Which Special Powers and Attacks can target the door, Breakable Wall Section (from the Marvel Master Set) or other Destructible Objects? Per the Fortress instructions: The Door may be attacked by a normal attack, a special attack, or by special powers that only cause wounds. The Door cannot be targeted or attacked by special powers that may “destroy” it in one attack. Remember, that the Door is not a figure, but it can be targeted and attacked much the same way a figure is targeted and attacked, with some exceptions. The Door does not have a size. Special Powers/Special Attacks that target or enhance the attacking figure if the defending “figure” is a certain size will not work. Examples: Deadyeye Dan’s Ullar Enhanced Rifle Special Attack, Jotun’s Throw, and Sir Denrick’s Giant Killer, & Gladiatron’s Cyberclaw The Door cannot be destroyed. Special Powers/Special attacks that even mention “destroy” as one of the effects cannot be used against the Door. Examples: Deadeye Dan’s Sharpshooter, & Grimnak’s Chomp. The Door is not a figure. Special Powers that are not necessarily an attack cannot affect the door. Examples: Morsbane’s Rod of Negation, Ne-Gok-Sa’s Mind Shackle, & Agent Carr’s Ghost Walk. Also, the door is not affected by Raelin’s Defensive Aura. If I target the closed door with an explosion attack (that also affects adjacent figures), will it affect figures that are adjacent to it, even if they are on the other side? Yes. |
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Yes, that's the FAQ, and it doesn't talk about engagement. What's interesting is in FotA, the DO can be controlled by a player, as if it's part of their army; but with the Marvel DO (Breakable Wall Section) no player is ever in control of it.
Either way, it's reasonable to assume that DOs cannot be engaged. |
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Can powers that modify a normal attack, that refer to "figures" in their triggering condition, be used against the door? Here I'm thinking of Sword of Reckoning/Combined Arbalest/+2 Broadsword/Homing Device/Targeting Beacon/Zettian Targeting/Mark of the Warlord/Sneak Attack 2/Galloping Charge/Charging Assault/First Assault 3/Bayonet Attack 1/Blood Frenzy/Rock Throw/Landslide/Soul Weapons.
These are not "a normal attack, a special attacks, or ... special powers that only cause wounds", so my inclination is no, they can't. |
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Yes they can.
Basing my answer off this: Quote:
In fact, Sword of Reckoning is specifically mentioned as working in the Rulings and Clarifications section in the OP. |
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Yeah, the relevant passage is this one:
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From that, we can conclude that most of these powers work. Sword of Reckoning, +2 Broadsword, Homing Device, Targeting Beacon, Mark of the Warlord, Sneak Attack 2, Galloping Charge, First Assault 3, Rock Throw, and Landslide work. That leaves four powers that use "figure" in a somewhat more complex way: Combined Arbalest, Zettian Targeting, Charging Assault, and Blood Frenzy.
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
I'd allow Zettian Targeting - it's just another attack. I'd also allow Combined Arbalest and Blood Frenzy as the door does have wound markers placed on it. I agree with you on Charging Assault though. It's only a figure in relation to targeting and attacks, not other powers.
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
I would think that the Fortress Door and other DO's would never be considered to be an opponent's figure. An opponent may momentary take control of the door, but it never becomes an official part of that opponent's army. So if Charging Assault, or another power, specifies an opponent's figure then I would say no it does not work on the Fortress Door.
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#81
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
If they have control of a figure, then they are considered "opponent's figure" whether or not they were drafted in your army.
The crux here is that the door is not a figure so cannot be an "opponent's figure". |
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
I haven't played a game with the Fortress Door in forever so remind me, do the rules state that you control the door when you have a figure standing in a position to open and close it? If so then I guess you would be correct, when your opponent's figure is standing in that spot then you could get the bonus from a Charging Assault on the door.
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
Both dok and I say you would not get the bonus for Charging Assault because the door is not a figure and is only treated as a figure when it is targeted or attacked.
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Re: The Book of Fortress Door
I don't know guys, Valguard has to move to an adjacent space make use of his First Assault 3. Why wouldn't the Templar Cavalry get their ability? The door is on a space, and the Cavalry only have the added stipulation that the horsemen has to move 4 spaces as well. There isn't an "opponent's figure" thrown in there, just Figure.
There is also clear sight, but the door can be seen, as it has a silloette on its army card. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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