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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:33 PM
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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

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Although it wasn't formatted the standard way, this GIE discussion thread actually got a lot more digital ink than the other one. There's also a good discussion starting here, in the book of Wo-Sa-Ga, where the close parallels between these two figures are explored.
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BurnyFlame, the link beneath the card graphic still leads to heroscape.com. Since they don't update anymore, you might want to link to the HSers Gallery:
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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

It seems to me that the 130 point zone has become a mark of death, with all rated units in the C+ or below range. (Grok Riders, DW8K, Tul-Bak-Ra)

I played a few Greater Ice Elementals on a snow and ice map, and it seems at the end of the day to still just be a melee hero with one attack a turn.

The question is, will Greater Ice Elemental be able to fend off the C rating and settle into the B- range, or will he continue the Curse of 130?

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

Has anyone had much luck with this guy in practice? I played one game with two of them where they did all right, but recently I've tried him in two or three armies and he's gotten killed by Aubriens in one turn every time. It's disgusting.

Part of the problem is that water is usually set lower than everything around it, so it's giving the enemy a height advantage. He has neither the lives nor the defense to be able to do that. Ice Bridge is immensely helpful, but don't think it's worth 130 points if the GIE is going to be gone the turn after you cross.

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

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Has anyone had much luck with this guy in practice? I played one game with two of them where they did all right, but recently I've tried him in two or three armies and he's gotten killed by Aubriens in one turn every time. It's disgusting.

Part of the problem is that water is usually set lower than everything around it, so it's giving the enemy a height advantage. He has neither the lives nor the defense to be able to do that. Ice Bridge is immensely helpful, but don't think it's worth 130 points if the GIE is going to be gone the turn after you cross.
The GIE's fatal flaw is range. His slow move prevents a counter, so I would say that you should support him with a squad of 4th Mass or another brilliant ranged squad

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

Can someone clarify -
In effect, does Cold Healing really work anytime the GIC is on a water or swamp spaces since, by virtue of Ice Cold, those spaces are treated as ice spaces?

Or does Cold Healing only work when the GIC is on ACTUAL ice or snow spaces?
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Can someone clarify -
In effect, does Cold Healing really work anytime the GIC is on a water or swamp spaces since, by virtue of Ice Cold, those spaces are treated as ice spaces?

Or does Cold Healing only work when the GIC is on ACTUAL ice or snow spaces?
Yes, he can heal on water or swamp water because those become normal ice spaces while he is standing on them.
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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

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Yes, he can heal on water or swamp water because those become normal ice spaces while he is standing on them.[/quote]

Thanks for the clarification. That's what I thought, but I wanted confirmation before it came up in a game.
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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

I wondered that myself, maybe it should be added to the FAQ on the OP.

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

Has anyone tried GIE armies and have any success?

I played:

GIE x2
Nakitas
Ralein
Chain Fighters x2

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Ralein
Hydras x2
KMA
Kelda

He slaughtered me. I got 2 KMA with Chain Grab and Engagement Strike, but he kept bouncing Kelda between Ralein and one Hydra. I couldn't get rid of Ralein(on a defense glyph) and was having a heck of a time with the rest in the aura.

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

I'm pretty sure this is a n00bish question that's been answered in another thread...

Since lava is treated as "water" for terrain purposes, does that mean that a GIE can still freeze over it, use Cold Healing, etc? And, if so, would he he still roll for Molten Lava damage because he moved onto it, or not, because he freezes it before?

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

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I'm pretty sure this is a n00bish question that's been answered in another thread...

Since lava is treated as "water" for terrain purposes, does that mean that a GIE can still freeze over it, use Cold Healing, etc? And, if so, would he he still roll for Molten Lava damage because he moved onto it, or not, because he freezes it before?
Lava still counts as lava and doesn't freeze. The "treated as water" line simply means that units have to stop when they enter (unless they have the Lava Resistant special power), and that no falling damage occurs (beyond the survival roll for Molten Lava - a 20 on a 20-sided die).

BTW, do Burneyflame's posts in this thread pose a hazard to the GIE?

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Re: The Book of Greater Ice Elemental

I assume that abilities that affect water affect any tile with water in its name.
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Swamp Water Tile
other water tiles yet to be released

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