Help With Wurdz - Page 28

kolakoski · #**325** September 6th, 2017, 03:36 PM

Well met!

The Undead player shall have two sets of Order Markers (OMs). One set shall be placed on Squad Cards (Unique or Common), and the other on Hero Cards, unless there are only Hero or Squad Cards remaining, in which case all the OMs may be placed on Cards of the remaining type. Each Round, the Undead player rolls for Initiative only once, and reveals OMs on two cards per turn, and takes a turn with each of them, after which a "full turn" is considered to have been taken.

I know this can be clearer . . .

Dad_Scaper · #**326** September 6th, 2017, 03:51 PM

My eyes!

You are right, this can be clearer.

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Originally Posted by kolakoski

The Undead player shall have two sets of Order Markers (OMs). One set shall be placed on Squad Cards (Unique or Common), and the other on Hero Cards, unless there are only Hero or Squad Cards remaining, in which case all the OMs may be placed on Cards of the remaining type. Each Round, the Undead player rolls for Initiative only once, and reveals OMs on two cards per turn, and takes a turn with each of them, after which a "full turn" is considered to have been taken.

Let's see:

The player controlling the undead horde uses two sets of order markers. One set must be used on hero cards, and the other set must be used on squad cards. If either (1) that player's heroes are all destroyed, or (2) that player's squads are all destroyed, the corresponding set of order markers may now be used for any army card remaining in the player's army.

The player controlling the undead horde rolls only one initiative die. When revealing order markers and taking turns, that player takes a turn with both sets of order markers, in either order. After the player controlling the undead horde has taken a turn with both order markers, that player's turn is over and it is the next player's turn.

Did I understand that correctly? My overall strategy was to streamline punctuation and organize with numbers and paragraphs.

What do you think?

kolakoski · #**327** September 6th, 2017, 04:32 PM

Well met!

The Undead Horde. The player controlling the Undead Horde uses two sets of order markers. One set must be used on hero cards, and the other set must be used on squad cards. If either (1) that player's heroes are all destroyed, or (2) that player's squads are all destroyed, the corresponding set of order markers may now be used for any army card remaining in the player's army.

The player controlling the Undead Horde rolls only one initiative die. When revealing order markers and taking turns, that player takes a turn with both sets of order markers, in either order. After the player controlling the Undead Horde has taken a turn with both order markers, that player's turn is over and it is the next player's turn.

Thanks!

Dad_Scaper · #**328** September 6th, 2017, 04:40 PM

You got it, buddy. Have fun!

aksisu11 · #**329** January 2nd, 2018, 01:40 AM

@Dad Scaper here you go! Looking for a little help with wordz..I'm an engineer so naturally I would choose numbers over words any day

Thanks again for taking the time to help me with this! I'm sure this won't be the last time I utilize your skills!

Spoiler Alert!

TACTICAL LASER RESPONSE
If Guardian 37, or a figure within 3 clear sight spaces of Guardian 37 is targeted by attacking figure who is not adjacent, and at least one skull is rolled, you may roll the 20-sided die. Count the minimum number of spaces between the attacking figure and the defending figure. Add this number to your die roll. If you roll a 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, the attack ends immediately and the targeted figure takes no damage.

ROCKET BARRAGE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 4. Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by the Rocket Barrage Special Attack. Guardian 37 only needs a clear sight shot at the chosen figure. Roll 4 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. Guardian 37 can be affected by his own Rocket Barrage Special Attack.

Guardian 37 is another valuable asset to the Utgar Soulborg army. He provides that long range defense response. I really wanted to create an ability to destroy incoming ranged attacks. I started with the ability called, "Flare Response", but I decided to use those huge rocket launchers a different way.

I could use some help with the wording/structure of his Tactical Laser Response ability...Right now it seems very confusing to me. I want the ability to provide protection to figures close to Guardian 37. I feel like Guardian 37 will have a better chance to defend the attack if he has time to react to the attack, therefore the minimum distance aspect of his ability. Here are the areas of the ability that I get stuck on though:

•Defending against special attacks vs normal attack. My mind is going around in circle about this issue. I would like him to be able to respond to certain SA's, but some it just doesn't make sense.. Like Mind Flayer's Psionic attack. Guardian shouldn't be able to stop this, buttttt he should be able to stop Q9, Kaemon Awa, etc.

•The other one I'm not too butt hurt about, but I could use some help with is the ending of this ability. I would like the lasers to deter the attack right away, so basically it wasn't able to reach it's target. Do you feel the way I worded this accomplishes just that, or should I change it a little?

Dad_Scaper · #**330** January 2nd, 2018, 02:59 PM

Wow, this is a mouthful. Thank you for sharing it with me.

I like the idea of a laser defense power. What you have here is very complex, and I'm going to encourage you firmly to limit it to normal attacks. Special Attacks can have all kinds of weird effects and mechanics, and you are looking for trouble by writing something like the attack "immediately ends." What about, for instance, an SA that might permit the attacker to move after attacking? I would not go there, with something this complex already.

I'm also going to try to simplify by removing some slippery game concepts that are not necessary, I don't think, to get the effect you want.

Without further ado:

When an opponent's figure uses a normal attack against Guardian 37 or a figure with within 3 clear sight spaces of Guardian 37, and the figures are not adjacent to each other, you may roll the 20-sided die. Count the minimum number of spaces between the attacking figure and the defending figure. Add this number to your die roll. If you roll a 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, the targeted figure takes no damage.

I removed the concept of targeting and tried to clean up the opening bit. The more I think about it the more I suspect that Special Attacks would be a bridge too far here.

Is the idea that the things on his face are lasers? If so, that's fine. If, on the other hand, the idea is that he's intercepting attacks from the shoulder-mounted devices, then we can discuss alternate names that might better hit that theme.

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Originally Posted by aksisu11

@Dad Scaper here you go! Looking for a little help with wordz..I'm an engineer so naturally I would choose numbers over words any day

Thanks again for taking the time to help me with this! I'm sure this won't be the last time I utilize your skills!

Spoiler Alert!

TACTICAL LASER RESPONSE
If Guardian 37, or a figure within 3 clear sight spaces of Guardian 37 is targeted by attacking figure who is not adjacent, and at least one skull is rolled, you may roll the 20-sided die. Count the minimum number of spaces between the attacking figure and the defending figure. Add this number to your die roll. If you roll a 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, the attack ends immediately and the targeted figure takes no damage.

ROCKET BARRAGE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 4. Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by the Rocket Barrage Special Attack. Guardian 37 only needs a clear sight shot at the chosen figure. Roll 4 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice seperately. Guardian 37 can be affected by his own Rocket Barrage Special Attack.

Guardian 37 is another valuable asset to the Utgar Soulborg army. He provides that long range defense response. I really wanted to create an ability to destroy incoming ranged attacks. I started with the ability called, "Flare Response", but I decided to use those huge rocket launchers a different way.

I could use some help with the wording/structure of his Tactical Laser Response ability...Right now it seems very confusing to me. I want the ability to provide protection to figures close to Guardian 37. I feel like Guardian 37 will have a better chance to defend the attack if he has time to react to the attack, therefore the minimum distance aspect of his ability. Here are the areas of the ability that I get stuck on though:

•Defending against special attacks vs normal attack. My mind is going around in circle about this issue. I would like him to be able to respond to certain SA's, but some it just doesn't make sense.. Like Mind Flayer's Psionic attack. Guardian shouldn't be able to stop this, buttttt he should be able to stop Q9, Kaemon Awa, etc.

•The other one I'm not too butt hurt about, but I could use some help with is the ending of this ability. I would like the lasers to deter the attack right away, so basically it wasn't able to reach it's target. Do you feel the way I worded this accomplishes just that, or should I change it a little?

aksisu11 · #**331** January 2nd, 2018, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dad_Scaper

Wow, this is a mouthful. Thank you for sharing it with me.

I like the idea of a laser defense power. What you have here is very complex, and I'm going to encourage you firmly to limit it to normal attacks. Special Attacks can have all kinds of weird effects and mechanics, and you are looking for trouble by writing something like the attack "immediately ends." What about, for instance, an SA that might permit the attacker to move after attacking? I would not go there, with something this complex already.

I'm also going to try to simplify by removing some slippery game concepts that are not necessary, I don't think, to get the effect you want.

Without further ado:

When an opponent's figure uses a normal attack against Guardian 37 or a figure with within 3 clear sight spaces of Guardian 37, and the figures are not adjacent to each other, you may roll the 20-sided die. Count the minimum number of spaces between the attacking figure and the defending figure. Add this number to your die roll. If you roll a 1-13, roll defense dice normally. If you roll a 14 or higher, the targeted figure takes no damage.

I removed the concept of targeting and tried to clean up the opening bit. The more I think about it the more I suspect that Special Attacks would be a bridge too far here.

Is the idea that the things on his face are lasers? If so, that's fine. If, on the other hand, the idea is that he's intercepting attacks from the shoulder-mounted devices, then we can discuss alternate names that might better hit that theme.

Thanks for the input! I really liked how you change it, and I feel like it captures what I was going for. I agree that the SA issue would just open up way too many concerns with gameplay, and being realistic in all.

I started with the idea that the shoulder-mounted weapons would intercept attacks, but I decided to use the big guys for his SA. Do you think it would be too much to expect the rocket launchers to block attacks and launch a barrage on an opponent's figure/figures? If I chose to use the shoulder-mount weapons what would you suggest calling it? I thought "Flare Response", but I'm not sold on it.

Dad_Scaper · #**332** January 2nd, 2018, 05:35 PM

It works as the face-mounted lasers. I don't want to discourage you from using that idea. But here are some ideas for a missile-based defense system:

Intercepting Flares (riffing on your "Flare Response," which I also like)
Interceptors
AEGIS (without explanation, but a reference to the ballistic defense system, and doubling - as in real life - with the use of "aegis" as "shield")

Or your own Flare Response, which I also like.

Thank you for your kind words. You're welcome.

flameslayer93 · #**333** January 9th, 2018, 02:29 AM

Hey D_S! Would you mind giving this a once over? It's only for personal gaming, but I'd like to avoid rules lawyering later on, especially since I'm the group's rules rules lawyer

. Thanks!

Spoiler Alert!

Dad_Scaper · #**334** January 9th, 2018, 06:34 PM

Thanks for sharing! I love the theme in this power set. It looks excellent.

I actually don't have much to add here. Some bellyachers might deliberately read Corrupt Throne to allow for multiple Lizard Kings, so I just added the word "instead" at the end:

CORRUPT THRONE
At the end of each round, if this Lizard Abomination is the Lizard King for the Greenscale Warriors, you may choose another Lizardfolk Unique Hero to be the Lizard King for the Greenscale Warriors instead.

I don't like the language "is considered to be," because it doesn't really add anything. Abomination is good enough as-is, but this is how I'd write it:

ABOMINATION
In addition to the race Lizardfolk, this Lizard Abomination has the race Mindflayer.

I hope that helps. Uncommon heroes create confusion and corner cases without any extra burden from the text of their powers, but that can't really be avoided. Have fun!

flameslayer93 · #**335** January 10th, 2018, 04:52 AM

Much appreciated and duly noted!

flameslayer93 · #**336** March 23rd, 2018, 01:18 PM

Back again, @Dad_Scaper . Mind helping out with Xinoth's Double Barrage?

DOUBLE BARRAGE
When Xinoth attacks with a normal attack, he may attack again with a normal attack. When Xinoth attacks with a special attack on this Army Card, he may attack again with that special attack.

I don't like this wording, but can't figure out how to improve it. I want Xinoth to be able to use the same attack twice in a row (he has 2 special attacks, similar to Major Q10). Any thoughts?

Special Note: We have a custom unit who lets other units use it's special attack, as well as siege engines/treasure glyphs that grant units special attacks. I don't want Double Barrage to affect those, so I included the "Special Attacks on this Army Card" bit.