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Old April 13th, 2022, 10:53 AM
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Played both games with Toyhandle, his feed back is at the bottom.

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Binary

Version tested:
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Army Test
Map: Martian War Zone
Units: Binary, Yondu(Pirate)190, Sub-Zero, Orion Arm Ravagers x2 VS Dr Doom 375, Kristoff Von Doom, Doombot x1, Beast 200, Black Panther 210, Lightning Bolt spell
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Army Test
Map: Wakandian Royal Forest – Custom Map
Units: Binary, Captain America 240, Black Panther 220, Cyclops 170 VS Toad, Quicksilver, Mastermind, Scarlet Witch, Magneto 310
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Pirates need help, she's a great addition but not enough to fix them. Solid in a generalist army. Wondering if she's maybe 10 or so points high. I think I'd take 350 Ms. Marvel over this one, for 20 points less and her bonding.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I like what Binary brings to the table. Her special attack is great, being able to target one or two figures is really helpful. Her defensive power offers some solid options for healing or auto wounding. In game two I think I could have been more aggressive with her and used her more in a shark roll. Her biggest issue is that her Pirate faction isn't very good. I like her in generalist armies but I think she might be out shined by 350 pt Ms. Marvel. Very cool design, but maybe a touch expensive.

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Game 1:
Doominati is a pretty strong team, especially compared to the Pirates. Binary was very threatening though, and pulled off very consistent heals, and a couple auto wounds. No card I chose for Beast’s Astute Avenger was one with disposable Order Markers, so all my my team’s D20 rolls were +1-4, making it risky for Binary to get in close to Special Attack Doom for fear of Pit Trap. Doom copying her abilities gave him the special attack he needed in order to safely attack her.

Game 2:
Original Brotherhood isn’t a particularly strong offensive team, but has some staying power, so this was a long game. If I recall correctly, Toad scored 5 wounds on Binary with two Caustic Phlegm Special Attacks, before being finished off with a Throw from Magneto. She came with a big target on her head, and fell the soonest because of it.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
She could probably come down in points. We didn’t get to use the Special Attack on more than 1 figure, and she never had any huge moments. Kind of reminds me of Archie’s recent words about Invincible (360pts) in the Unit Discussion,
“I find Invincible a bit overpriced compared to other Champions in his price range. He's often a single attack of 6, and his solid durability doesn't make up for that relatively low offense.”

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Cool how it has very Carol Danvers style mechanics, while also feeling like more of a distinct solo style unit. Seems like the type of unit that benefits more from a bonder than a stat booster.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Thanks a ton guys! Not too surprised she's feeling a bit eh compared to Ms. Marvel. I'll probably keep her at 370 for the sake of army building, but after testing I'll likely adjust Binary Energy Defense to let you use both effects instead of having to choose. Small buff, but will help when the attackers whiffs with a bunch of shields.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

I was planning to test today. Is that a change you're making? Is the SP up to date?

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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

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SP is up to date, haven't changed anything yet. Only gonna make that change if you or Shiftrex think she's a little lacking.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Gotcha. I'll test what I have set up, then. Lost most of my window today waiting to make sure I didn't test the wrong thing, though. So it might take me a bit longer, apologies.

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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

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Thanks a ton guys! Not too surprised she's feeling a bit eh compared to Ms. Marvel. I'll probably keep her at 370 for the sake of army building, but after testing I'll likely adjust Binary Energy Defense to let you use both effects instead of having to choose. Small buff, but will help when the attackers whiffs with a bunch of shields.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: BINARY
VERSION TESTED
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Army Test
Map: SACRED SHRINE
Units: Hepzibah (140), Binary (370), Yondu (MCU) (190), Mantis (200) (900) vs Hippolyta (400), Amazon Warriors (x5) (500) (900)
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Map: ELM STREET
Units: Hepzibah (140), Binary (370), Yondu (MCU) (190), Wiccan (200) (900) vs Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Human Torch and Crystal (900)
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UNIT SUMMARY: The Pirate faction isn’t her fault and she’s a nice piece in it. Offensively, she feels tougher than Ms. Marvel to me but obviously without the leadership. I like her cost as is or with a slight drop.

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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Thanks a ton Bats! Looking good (considering that her faction is in a bad spot), gonna wait on Shiftrex's tests but I'll probably make the Binary Energy Defense change I mentioned earlier.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Ah, fwiw I totally derped and missed that you could only choose one. I think she only healed like once in my games or at least only once where she inflicted a wound on the same turn, so not majorly impactful, but, yeah, I prefer it with that change.

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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

Tests from Shiftrex are in. Games were between Shiftrex and Redstang.

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C3G PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

Unit Name Binary

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 370
- Give a brief overview. First game was a pretty loose generalist build, soft synergy, no OM hub and worked out better than expected. I used Binary and Kraven as my big threats on the board, had a decently cinematic moment between her and Ultraman that didn't pan out in my favor but she did enough to secure me the game. I found myself using the special attack alot to get around Ultraman's defensive ability and did not split targets at all during this game. I used Starlord throughout to reposition people with his distracting fire and boost them up with his aura.


Map: Country Road
Units:

200 Kraven (Sergei Kravinoff)
180 Solid Snake (David)
370 Binary (Coral Danvers)
250 Star-Lord (Peter Quill)
1000, 4 hexes

vs

440 Ultraman (Kal-Il)
250 Superwoman (Lois Lane C)
210 Owlman (Thomas Wayne Jr.)
100 Weather Wizard (Mark Mardon) (I)
1000, 4 hexes


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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 370
- Give a brief overview. I made good use of Binary in a tag team with Red Tornado to control the battlefield, her large movement and big normal attack made positioning difficult for the spiders. I made use of her normal attack a lot here because I was able to get height against slower moving figures and saw her range play out well in conjunction with the weather glyphs on the field. I only used her special attack a couple of times in this matchup due to the lack of defensive abilities on the field. Hobie Brown put wounds on Binary constantly whenever she was engaged and wore her down quickly.


Map: Country Road
Units:

370 Binary (Carol Danvers)
170 Baron Zemo (Heinrich Zemo)
320 Red Tornado (John Smith) (II)
100 Ragdoll (Peter Merkell Jr.)
40 Fire Ant Swarm x4
1000, 8 hexes

vs

260 Spider-Man (Otto Octavius)
160 Spider-Man (Hobie Brown C)
140 Spider-Girl (May Parker)
180 Spider-Man (Peter Parker C) (Assassin)
260 Anti-Venom (Eddie Brock)
1000, 5 hexes


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Player 1's THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Binary is a tough figure but not invincible, good use of autowounds and unblockables brought her down. She is downright scary with her movement and her ability to hit hard at 6 range but she needs someone to frontline to make the best use of her or to control the battlefield. Tornado makes a good partner, her synergies keep her power in check.

I would definitely draft her in generalist builds as a big threat and a way to have a reliable special that is versatile in its use. I feel like the cost is appropriate, in the second game Tornado did most of the work early game in disrupting the enemy and in the first game Kraven was the initial big threat until I had to pit the Kryptonian against Binary one on one. Pretty cinematic and she fell after making a good showing of herself, Ultraman walked away from that fight with 5 wounds from her.

I like her price point, if she was more expensive I feel like I would start to lose interest in drafting her. Right now she is good can opener piece that can be dealt with or overwhelmed appropriately if you don't play her right.


Player 2's THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Quote: Just wanted to say, looking at her other interations, she's definitely the most general of the three. I'd say she's middle of the pack when looking at the 370s. Would probably be closer to the top of her class at 360, but not sure the Playtest results demonstrate a need to drop value.

Opponent agreed that she seemed fun to play with and would draft her. Spent some time talking about her point value and how much she did in certain instances during the two games, agreed that it was likely a fair showing.
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Re: The Book of Binary - public playtest

5-5 in tests, which is pretty cool. Generally performed better in generalists builds over Pirate builds, but thats no real surprise. Really happy with how shes looking. I'm going to make the change to Binary Energy Defense so that both effects can be used.

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BINARY ENERGY DEFENSE
After defending against a normal attack from a figure within 6 clear sight spaces, if Binary is not destroyed you may do one of the following : if Binary rolled,
• more skulls than the attacking figure, inflict a wound on the attacking figure.
• more blanks than the attacking figure, remove a Wound Marker from this card.
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BINARY ENERGY DEFENSE
After defending against a normal attack from a figure within 6 clear sight spaces, if Binary is not destroyed you may do the following : if Binary rolled,
• more skulls than the attacking figure, inflict a wound on the attacking figure.
• more blanks than the attacking figure, remove a Wound Marker from this card.
Won't come into play super often, but gives her more with the power if the attacker whiffs with a bunch of shields.

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