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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

Seems potentially strong, but I trust you to find the right balance Yea.
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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

This passes.

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Darkseid (II)

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(545), Lex Luthor III(185), Parademon Shock Troopers x 3(240) (970)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Nova(210), Swordsman(160) (970)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(545), Lex Luthor III(185), Solomon Grundy II(355) (1085)
vs.
Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier II(240), Scarlet Witch II(255) (1085)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(560), Parademon Shock Troopers x 3(240) (800)
vs.
Wrecking Crew(800)
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Army Test 4
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(560), Parademon Shock Troopers x 3(240) (800)
vs.
Superman II(450), Ms. Marvel(350) (800)
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Converting Darkseid Is to a d20 roll to slightly tweak the odds, as a blank/heal can be rough, and I feel his odds of taking a wound are just a hair too low. He also doesn't need any reason to combo well with Zatanna II, and it'd be nice for Batman III to be able to modify the rolls.

DARKSEID IS
An opponent may never take control of Darkseid, and if he would be destroyed in any way except by this special power, instead he takes no damage and you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll:
• 10 or lower, Darkseid receives a wound;
• 11-18, inflict a wound on another figure; or
• 19-20, remove a wound from this card.


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Army Test 5
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(560), Lex Luthor(185), Solomon Grundy(355) (1100)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Spider-Man(250), Shang-Chi(230), Tigra(170) (1100)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 6
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(600), Parademon Shock Troopers x 5(400) (1000)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1000)
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Army Test 7
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(600), Lex Luthor III(185), Solomon Grundy(355) (1140)
vs.
Cap(240), Ms. Marvel(350), Winter Soldier II(240), She-Hulk(310) (1140)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 8
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(600), Lex Luthor III(185), Solomon Grundy(355) (1140)
vs.
Professor X(220), Gorgon(300), Phoenix(230), Omega Red(300), Angel(90) (1140)
Spoiler Alert!


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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
He's a ton of fun. Deadly with nasty potential, but fun. He makes a great leader to the Parademon Shock Troopers, with their interactions feeling quite thematic in that he has them swarm the enemy, and potentially killing off one if they can't get the job done so he can do it himself. Being able to teleport/resurrect more is also a lot of fun. He can be a bit of a beast to kill off, but I feel like the after the tweaks he's playing just perfectly.

Lex makes for another great pairing, as he can re-place his markers, to help make up for his more expensive cost leading to fewer markers to start. Fun interaction when Lex is adjacent to Darkseid, and pawns wounds off onto him, and Darkseid of course is wounding Lex when using him. You can even try to use wounds from Lex to trigger Darkseid Is, to potentially ignore them and send 1 to the opponent. Lots of good stuff, including Grundy who can essentially get a turn for free as he ignores the wound.

All of the games were close, even before the tweaks, but that speaks to his staying power. When he's rolling well, he's gonna be a bear to take on. When he's not, he still feels worth taking. Going into Public Testing, I'm thinking let's drop his life by 1(to 7) just to be safe and stick at 600. I'd rather he come in with some losses than wins, as I'm confident even with the drop he'll have the potential.
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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

Sounds good. Looks like you arrived at a decent place.

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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Initial Playtesting)

Looks solid. Lots of tests! Pre-yea
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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Initial Playtesting)

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Darkseid (II)

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(520), Lex Luthor III(185), Solomon Grundy II(355) (1060)
vs.
Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier II(240), Phoenix(230) (1060)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 2
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(520), Parademon Shock Troopers x 6(480) (1000)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Moon Knight(150), Shang-Chi(230), Tigra(170) (1000)
Spoiler Alert!


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Thinking he could go back up to 8 life. Gonna try that.

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Army Test 3
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Darkseid II(520), Parademon Shock Troopers x 6(480) (1000)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1000)
Spoiler Alert!


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I had some concerns that maybe it's the wrong call to allow the likes of Grundy to ignore the wound penalty, as I fear that may see him overcosted in any build without a wound ignorer like that. Also seems odd he's 180 points higher than Balder, and I think that pairing with Grundy ignoring the wound had a lot to do with it. So I ran a game with the wound having to be received. Seemed much more manageable.

Let me know what people would prefer. 520 still makes for a 1000 point army with the Parademons, you just get to draft 1 more. The 3 losses definitely makes it feel far less abusable with Grundy, but in general they didn't seem to perform as strongly either.
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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Initial Playtesting)

I’m happy with that change. Probably for the best that he’s not tied at the hip to Grundy or Clayface.
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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Initial Playtesting)

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I’m happy with that change. Probably for the best that he’s not tied at the hip to Grundy or Clayface.
I'm in agreement with that. Also seems like Jason (considering the low cost) would be one of his main pairings as well, which I'm happier to avoid.

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Re: The Book of Darkseid (II) (Vote 4 Public Playtesting)

I propose a vote to move to Public Playtesting.
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