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Re: The Book of Varkaanan Blade Dancers
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If a Nakita Agent wouldn't get an engagement strike on a knight walking around it with Jandar's Dispatch, then it doesn't get an engagement strike from Emiroon popping Chardris from one side of the Nakita to the other. Quote:
There was even an old question about Drake taking leaving engagement as he grapple gunned "past" a figure that was above him and is now below him. He doesn't, because even though it feels like he was on that level during movement, he wasn't. He just moved from one space to the other. Yeah, that's the distinction between movement that's counted space by space, and movement that simply chooses a space and "places" the figure there. (I put "place" in quotes because of Saylind - that card actually says "move", so the rules don't consistently distinguish between them move and place as terms.) Falling damage only applies to space-by-space movement, but there's no such distinction when it comes to engagement rules. Last edited by dok; June 26th, 2020 at 10:21 PM. |
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@dok
thanks so much for the detailed reply! When you said that falling damage only applies to space-by-space movement, is there anywhere in the rules that indicates this? Or is that an inference based on some other ruling or interaction? I'd always assumed that the reason behind why falling damage doesn't apply is because the "movement" from one space to another wasn't direct from one space to another (the in-between space), but I guess that understanding was incorrect. I realize that the answer behind why falling damage only applies to space-by-space movement might be "that's just the way we've all decided to play it," although I must admit that without anything in the rules specifically listing this as an exception, that's less satisfying.
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Can you point me to the wording that makes you think blade dancing is different than stealth leaping?
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I'm guessing it's because Defensive Vault is a placement power, whereas Stealth Leap is a form of space-to-space movement similar to Flying? Because placement is an instantaneous form of direct movement between two spaces (rather than constituting movement to an indeterminate in-between "space" as I had previously thought) no engagement check is made. In terms of game mechanics, a Blade Dancer isn't using Defensive Vault to move over any space; Defensive Vault places the Blade Dancer directly on the destination space, so the terms for disengagement (attempting to enter a space non-adjacent to an engaged enemy) are never actually met. I'm not quite as confident on the reasoning for why Stealth Leap would trigger Engagement Strike, but I'll try. I think the reason is that Stealth Leap essentially gives a figure a more limited form of Stealth Flying for the turn in terms of mechanics. Just like flying, a figure using Stealth Leap "may leap over water without stopping, pass over figures without becoming engaged, and leap over obstacles such as ruins." I think this implies that when a figure starts to Stealth Leap, it leaves engagement with all figures, only entering engagement again once the Stealth Leap movement has been completed. Therefore, a figure who is adjacent to a Nakita and used Stealth Leap even just to move "around" the Nakita would still roll for engagement strike upon landing, just like a character using flying. Hopefully that all makes sense, and if I'm wrong I'm sure that others more skilled in the Deeper Knowledge of Heroscape will correct me |
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If the intent is that the Blade Dancer doesn't leave engagement with the attacking figure, even if the wording, especially the bit about not taking leaving engagement suggests that it does, then a simple clarification added to the OP would settle this debate.
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No, it's the mention about not taking leaving engagement attacks that suggests the Blade Dancer is leaving engagement with the attacking figure.
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Blade Dance is a placement power that says you place the figure on a spot. That's what it says to do so that's all you do. So if you move from one spot adjacent to the figure to another spot adjacent to that figure, you never left engagement, because you moved from one space next to the figure to another space next to the figure. (The "does not take leaving engagement" wording is there for possible disengagement from another enemy figure, not the one you're leaping around.) By contrast, stealth leap uses nearly the exact wording as flying. Flying uses wording that strongly implies space-by-space movement, and we have established rulings that flying triggers leaving engagement when you start flying, even if you plan to fly around a figure without moving away from it. I guess at this point I'll tag @Scytale to see if he disagrees with me or has anything to add. |
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Swamp Water Tunnel would also make most folks think it would trigger Engagement Strike if the Drudge tunnels around a Nakita.
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