Heroscapers
Go Back   Heroscapers > Custom HeroScape Creations > Custom Units & Army Cards > AotV Customs
AotV Customs A place for Arena of the Valkyrie Customs


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #181  
Old September 26th, 2019, 08:28 PM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

He does have more going on than Ne-Gok-Sa, though I think that it's not unreasonably so. Wounding as a requirement should be very easy even for new players to understand (removing it for just Enslave leaves most of the confusing parts intact), and the second power is one of the simplest ones amongst the set.

I'd rank his overall complexity above Ne-Gok-Sa but under the Airborne Elite, personally. Mimring is a bit of a special case because he's extremely easy to understand and many of the issues with Fireline aren't encountered by most people.
Reply With Quote
  #182  
Old September 29th, 2019, 01:50 AM
Pumpkin_King's Avatar
Pumpkin_King Pumpkin_King is offline
A Happy Extradimensional Horror
 
Join Date: August 4, 2006
Location: VA-Culpeper
Posts: 6,675
Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

I still think taking the wound requirement out might be goo.d
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old September 29th, 2019, 04:05 AM
capsocrates's Avatar
capsocrates capsocrates is offline
My six-year-old sister-in-law calls the shots
 
Join Date: October 6, 2010
Location: USA - CO - Denver area
Posts: 13,460
Images: 11
capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth capsocrates is a man of the cloth
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

I would rather make a change like that based on playtesting feedback.

Your custom probably has too much Defense.

--

A Child of the Risen Lord
--
Oklahoma HS Events - Colorado HS Events
Continuing Classic Heroscape: C3V SoV
Maps Customs Trades
Reply With Quote
  #184  
Old September 29th, 2019, 04:46 AM
Pumpkin_King's Avatar
Pumpkin_King Pumpkin_King is offline
A Happy Extradimensional Horror
 
Join Date: August 4, 2006
Location: VA-Culpeper
Posts: 6,675
Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Alright. Let’s see if we can cut complexity elsewhere.
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old September 29th, 2019, 10:23 AM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Like I mentioned earlier, I don't think that Tetsuo is really in a place where we can make easy cuts to the card without cutting into the theme or playstyle. The wound requirements for his boost and Mind Jack are both vital to the design, and I think that they're each workable if we don't go overboard on designs elsewhere.

My personal preference at this point is to decide upon a replacement name for Neural Enhancement (I still like Overload, but if I'm the only person bothered by the drug implication then I can be outvoted on some variant of Stimulant) and move Tetsuo forward to testing. If he's truly too complicated, we can make changes based on that feedback.
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old October 1st, 2019, 10:08 PM
NecroBlade's Avatar
NecroBlade NecroBlade is offline
"our design team knows what it's doing"
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Location: KY - Shepherdsville
Posts: 20,475
Images: 85
Blog Entries: 21
NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Astroking112 View Post
but if I'm the only person bothered by the drug implication.
IMO, Neural Enhancement doesn't necessarily imply drugs. It can just as easily and maybe even more likely be some kind of electrical stimulation, or cyborg parts, or something like that which taps into the unused potential of the mind/body.

317-149
C3V Brainstorm
Pepperony - 14/09/13
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old October 1st, 2019, 10:19 PM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroBlade View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Astroking112 View Post
but if I'm the only person bothered by the drug implication.
IMO, Neural Enhancement doesn't necessarily imply drugs. It can just as easily and maybe even more likely be some kind of electrical stimulation, or cyborg parts, or something like that which taps into the unused potential of the mind/body.
It's Neural Stimulant/Neurostim that I don't like. I'm fine with Neural Enhancement for exactly this reason.
Reply With Quote
  #188  
Old October 1st, 2019, 10:21 PM
NecroBlade's Avatar
NecroBlade NecroBlade is offline
"our design team knows what it's doing"
 
Join Date: November 22, 2006
Location: KY - Shepherdsville
Posts: 20,475
Images: 85
Blog Entries: 21
NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth NecroBlade is a man of the cloth
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

I'm not opposed to Neurostim either simply because it is a genre trope, but you had mentioned Enhancement in your post so I was making sure we were on the same page.

317-149
C3V Brainstorm
Pepperony - 14/09/13
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old October 1st, 2019, 10:29 PM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroBlade View Post
I'm not opposed to Neurostim either simply because it is a genre trope, but you had mentioned Enhancement in your post so I was making sure we were on the same page.
Blame my verbosity.

The reason why I said that I'd like to replace Enhancement and then move on to Testing is because concern was being expressed over it being too vague to be thematic. I'm personally fine with Neural Enhancement, but it didn't seem like it'd pass muster. That recent post was just saying that I can be outvoted on Neural Stimulator, so don't worry, we're all on the same page.
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old October 15th, 2019, 10:18 PM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Is anyone opposed to taking a quick poll of our personal preferences for the second power name to decide things? I don't mind being outvoted if the majority prefers the stimulant reference, and I'd like for us to get Tetsuo to Testing.

My personal list hasn't really changed:
1. Overload
2. Reprogram
3. Overclock
4. Neural Enhancement
5. Neurostim
6. Neural Stimulant/Neural Stimulator
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old October 17th, 2019, 05:22 AM
Pumpkin_King's Avatar
Pumpkin_King Pumpkin_King is offline
A Happy Extradimensional Horror
 
Join Date: August 4, 2006
Location: VA-Culpeper
Posts: 6,675
Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun Pumpkin_King is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

I’m fine with Neurostim/Neurostimulant or Overclock.
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old October 17th, 2019, 02:04 PM
Astroking112's Avatar
Astroking112 Astroking112 is online now
 
Join Date: March 15, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Dallas
Posts: 2,033
Images: 21
Blog Entries: 38
Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Astroking112 is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: [Pod 0] Tetsuo Tyrell (Jace, Investigator) - Editing

Alright, let's get this ironed out so we can move on to Testing. This is the best sense of opinions that I can get from the past couple of pages:

@All Your Pie
Slight preference for Overload

@Astroking112
Overload > Reprogram > Overclock > Neural Enhancement > Not Neurostim or any Stimulant variant

@capsocrates
Neurostim > Neural Overclock > Neural Overload > Neural Hack

@flameslayer93
Neurostim > Overload > Overclock > Not Neural Hack nor Reprogram

@NecroBlade
Neural Enhancement > Neural Stimulator > Neural Hack

@Pumpkin_King
Neurostim or Overclock

Please correct me if I'm not representing anything correctly or if I missed something.

It seems like a variant on either Overload or Overclock could be a fine compromise to me. Neurostim also has a good deal of support, but it looks like Overload/Overclock are relatively high on nearly everyone's list without having any major detractors so far.

Last edited by Astroking112; October 17th, 2019 at 03:35 PM. Reason: Added AYP's preference.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Heroscapers > Custom HeroScape Creations > Custom Units & Army Cards > AotV Customs
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[Pod 0] Ozuul (Eldrazi Ruiner) - Editing NecroBlade AotV Customs 183 Today 05:31 PM
[Pod 0] Pod 0 (Main Thread) NecroBlade AotV Customs 25 November 19th, 2019 12:19 PM
[AotV] Pre-Brainstorming Thread flameslayer93 AotV Customs 139 November 17th, 2019 02:33 PM
The Book of Jace, Investigator TREX Official Units and Spell Cards 5 July 25th, 2016 02:10 PM
Design your own unit: customization glacierking Custom Units & Army Cards 1 December 24th, 2010 05:19 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:07 PM.

Heroscape background footer

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.