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Old January 29th, 2017, 11:41 AM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Bof...

Sorry to give my opinion there, but I had really bad feeling reading that the main reason is "overly complex power"... because when I see that C3V brings us Elaria the Pale who has an even more complex power with almost the same aim and an almost same range points. It would look like Elaria would have been rejected for the same reason.

Otherwise, I understand that SoV is not C3V, and the issue is also with the theme of the power (and here I see the point). But I wanted to give my opinion in such argument when I see what was already realized by Valhalla Customs before...



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Old January 29th, 2017, 12:00 PM
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I don't believe that complexity was the reason. I believe that it was because the power was not thematically straightforward.

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Old January 29th, 2017, 12:03 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

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Bof...

Sorry to give my opinion there, but I had really bad feeling reading that the main reason is "overly complex power"... because when I see that C3V brings us Elaria the Pale who has an even more complex power with almost the same aim and an almost same range points. It would look like Elaria would have been rejected for the same reason.

Otherwise, I understand that SoV is not C3V, and the issue is also with the theme of the power (and here I see the point). But I wanted to give my opinion in such argument when I see what was already realized by Valhalla Customs before...

No, opinions are welcome. First of all, you're right about the C3V not being the SoV. That makes a difference in how members vote. It's easier for a power to slowly become more complex, for example.

Here's the difference between the two powers, in some people's minds: it's a matter of irreducible complexity. Slippery 6 is complex because it has to be to work right. Evasion Instinct could be much less complex and still work nearly the same, and even hit theme better because of that simplification.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Ashi-Dhulu who recently passed, and Kon-Tar-Na who has 3 up votes both have similar movement powers, but despite having more words, are somewhat clearer. Kon-Tar-Na must end his move adjacent to an enemy, Ashi needs to end its move after destroying a common figure. Both are very clear.

Choosing a figure, not attacking that figure and ending your move not adjacent to that figure is a little odd, and not very clear. A bit of wording change however keeps the most of the mechanics in place, but makes the unit much easier to understand an maybe more versatile.


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Bof...

Sorry to give my opinion there, but I had really bad feeling reading that the main reason is "overly complex power"...
I did not vote against Matlis Tez because her power was "overly complex," but because it was needlessly complex. As superfrog said above, Evasion Instinct could've worked in much the same way without the "choose a figure" wording attached.

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Old January 29th, 2017, 02:52 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Thanks for the answers guys !

I understood it with wriggz's message, and you put the right words on it Sherman, thanks for the clarification.
This considered, I can now see better the reason of this choice !


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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Inside the C3V, there were a number of people - myself included - who saw a thematic break between (1) naming a power "Evasion Instinct" and (2) making it a really complex way to engage the enemy.

I don't know if this was the chief reason why people voted against it. I know it's a significant part, but not the only part, of why I did.

In my humble opinion, a worthy custom must unite the mini, the mechanics, and the theme. That is the iron triangle of design. Matlis Tez did not present a unified, three-pointed design.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I would like to submit Uzog.



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  • Attack raised to 5
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  • Gruesome Display - Instead of boosting attack, it is more thematic for valkrill to -defense of opposing figures.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Yeah, this is the best version of Uzog yet, to my eyes. to review

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I like the new direction for Uzog. The turn-around feels a little fast for me but I trust you've run him through his testing (iterating on a unit is easier than designing a new one anyway). I vote YEA for review.
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I'll be honest, I'd rather he were still Wild - I maintain the DCoTs need a bonding hero following their own General.


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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

I liked the original Uzog, but this one seems to be a much tighter design. I'm personally a little leery about his point total being too low, but with one attack and only 3 defense I can see how 85 makes sense.

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