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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:41 AM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Kantano Daishi by qt.bangerang

I was very happy to see qt turn this unit back around so quickly for resubmission. There are two big changes to this unit and one minor one from the original. The minor change is the units name. Still gives the same flavor as far as I'm concerned, so no worries there.

Onto the big changes:

The obvious one is the change from Valkrill to Vydar. As I mentioned in my original review my first choice would be Utgar, but I have no problem with Daishi joining the ranks of Vydar. Vydar has always seemed to toe the line between being good and evil, or maybe a better description is less good. So, IMO, I see no theme break here at all. I understand part of the reasoning for his original choice of Valkrill since they don't yet have a ninja, but I don't think that's a good reason to 'force' a unit in there (not to say qt did that here).

The other big change is in the wording of Dishonerable Leadership, which changed from "After taking a turn..." to "When revealing an order marker..." This was a must needed revision to avoid any double bonding, which in Vydar's case would have been with the Command Courier. This particular instance of a double bond doesn't look like it would have been too big a deal since the CC has to give up his attack to order another unit and Daishi still can't order other Ninjas around if he's engaged so there's really not a lot of extra things happening in this case, but it's still a good idea to word things this way for any future units that may come down the line and keep double bonding out of the game alltogether.

All other Vydar specific powers have no effect on Daishi (Agent Skahen, Blastatrons, Laglor), so no worries there, which also means further testing is unecessary.

I'll point everyone to my original review of Dashi since all points (other than Valkrill) are still valid.

I vote YES to induct Kantano Daishi into the SoV.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:56 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

The fact that now, Dashi can't escape from the engagement to use his Disonorable Leadership will weakened him, no?


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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:58 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

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The fact that now, Dashi can't escape from the engagement to use his Disonorable Leadership will weakened him, no?
He still has Phantom Walk...

The powers did not change. Just a bit of the wording.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:29 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

... Miss readed the new card, sorry.

(I though that now he uses the bonding before his turn, as for a basic bonding... but no, never mind. ^^" )


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... Miss readed the new card, sorry.

(I though that now he uses the bonding before his turn, as for a basic bonding... but no, never mind. ^^" )
If you just read nyys's review and not the card then it would be quite easy to get this impression.

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 04:27 PM
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If you just read nyys's review and not the card then it would be quite easy to get this impression.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 01:36 PM
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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

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I would like to nominate the new and improved Kantono Daishi.



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I'll admit that I liked the Valkrill faction here--I saw him as an instigator of assassins (very Valkrill to me), rather than a "general" like Kato, etc.

I've spent some time thinking about this unit, this resubmission, this new iteration. I've pulled him back out, I've looked again at my old tests, and I've thought about it some more.

And I like it.

I still like the unit--it has some strong match-ups, but a lot more weak ones; it just oozes theme--and I think the Vydar thing can work well for it.

I vote YES to induct Kantano Daishi into the SoV.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

Woot, here's to somebody other than Scytale getting a review done. Don't get me wrong, I love what the SoV is doing but this tales a hell of a long time. I really hope to see Kheris or Brimstone pass.

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Woot, here's to somebody other than Scytale getting a review done. Don't get me wrong, I love what the SoV is doing but this tales a hell of a long time. I really hope to see Kheris or Brimstone pass.
As a former SoV judge I can tell you that the judging process does take quite some time. And for good reason.

The SoV wants to make sure that they pass only the top of the top units. This takes a considerable amount of playtesting to do. So, any Fanscape fan should be very glad that the judges here take their responsibilities seriously enough to give each unit under review a thorough amount of testing. Not to mention that each one of these great guys has real life responsibilities as well.
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Woot, here's to somebody other than Scytale getting a review done. Don't get me wrong, I love what the SoV is doing but this tales a hell of a long time. I really hope to see Kheris or Brimstone pass.
As a former SoV judge I can tell you that the judging process does take quite some time. And for good reason.

The SoV wants to make sure that they pass only the top of the top units. This takes a considerable amount of playtesting to do. So, any Fanscape fan should be very glad that the judges here take their responsibilities seriously enough to give each unit under review a thorough amount of testing. Not to mention that each one of these great guys has real life responsibilities as well.
To be honest, if the judging weren't quite so rigourous, I don't think this organization would've succeded.

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Re: Soldiers of Valhalla - nominations and discussion

It should be noted that the new Kantono Daishi is able to be activated by the Command Courier.

I share the opinion of 1Mmirg that Kantono Daishi was better as Valkrill
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It should be noted that the new Kantono Daishi is able to be activated by the Command Courier.

I share the opinion of 1Mmirg that Kantono Daishi was better as Valkrill
You should read the card more carefully before making such pronouncements.

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