Public Design Workshop

[Gurei-Ornery]

I picked up the Hobby Lobby version and it looks awesome on a map. Looking forward to Satanus.

[Smithy Winfred]

Originally Posted by Tornado

I was going to give him a power called Tiny Arms which would not allow him to use Equipment Glyphs. Margloth suggested just making him an event hero and I agreed. His appearances in 2000AD comics is always eventful

That would be neat, I would like to see him rampaging across the battlefield as an event hero.

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Well since no one replied to my earlier comment about Juan Paul Batman, I'll just post what I have and if it gets knocked down, what the heck.

Batman (Juan Paul Valley)

Spoiler Alert!

Name - Batman
Secret Identity - Juan Paul Valley

Human
Unique Hero
Vigilante
Driven?/reckless?/determined?

Life - 4
Move - 6
Range - 5
Attack - 3
Defense - 6

Bat-Claws (not a huge fan of the name)
After attacking with his normal attack, Batman may attack one additional time. When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

Bat Grapple

So I'm stumped for the third special, Here's a couple of my ideas

Utility Belt #

- He does use some gadgets, but I really don't feel it's warranted

Ruthless Counterstrike (from Huntress)
When rolling defense dice against a normal attack from an adjacent attacking figure, if Huntress is not destroyed by this attack, all skulls count as unblockable hits on the attacking figure.

- To reflect his more violent methods

Glide 3 (from Prowler)
Before, during or after moving, Prowler may be placed on any empty space within 3 spaces of and lower than his current location, once per turn. When Prowler uses Glide 3, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

- It's the first time you see a Batman actually use the cape to glide along rather than just as a way to slow a fall

Hope you guys like it as much as I do

[ibechief]

[quote=Smithy Winfred;1718733]

Originally Posted by Tornado

Batman (Juan Paul Valley)

Spoiler Alert!

Name - Batman
Secret Identity - Juan Paul Valley

Human
Unique Hero
Vigilante
Driven?/reckless?/determined?

Life - 4
Move - 6
Range - 5
Attack - 3
Defense - 6

Bat-Claws (not a huge fan of the name)
After attacking with his normal attack, Batman may attack one additional time. When attacking an adjacent figure with a normal attack, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

Bat Grapple

So I'm stumped for the third special, Here's a couple of my ideas

Utility Belt # - He does use some gadgets, but I really don't feel it's warranted

Ruthless Counterstrike (from Huntress) - To reflect his more violent methods

Glide 3 (from Prowler) - It's the first time you see a Batman actually use the cape to glide along rather than just as a way to slow a fall

Hope you guys like it as much as I do

Because he does not have any special attacks I would reword Bat-Claws like so.

BAT-CLAWS
When Batman attacks, he may attack one additional time. When attacking an adjacent figure, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled.



Chelle and I are playtesting at the moment or I might have more to say I have not even had a second to look over the suggestions for Apoc yet.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by Smithy Winfred

Well since no one replied to my earlier comment about Juan Paul Batman, I'll just post what I have and if it gets knocked down, what the heck.

A, it's Jean Paul Valley.

B, Bats has him drafted:

Originally Posted by Bats

Edit: Oh, and for (was it Smithy who asked?), Jean Paul Valley's Batman has been drafted (by me no less).

On the design itself, I'm just not feeling it. It doesn't really have the feel of a more aggressive Batman. Something dealing with his more brutal methods would help. As would deciding on the direction you want to go for the the third power.

[Yodaking]

Originally Posted by ibechief

Because he does not have any special attacks I would reword Bat-Claws like so.

BAT-CLAWS
When Batman attacks, he may attack one additional time. When attacking an adjacent figure, add one automatic skull to whatever is rolled.

This is incorrect. Special attacks can be achieved via glyphs, so normal attack is always specified.

[TrollBrute]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

This is incorrect. Special attacks can be achieved via glyphs, so normal attack is always specified.

Actually, that's not quite right. There are no glyphs that give you special attacks, mostly because not all powers specify normal attacks. Wolverine's Adamantium Claws for example. Still, your point is valid that it should state normal attack, to avoid any possible complications.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

Actually, that's not quite right. There are no glyphs that give you special attacks, mostly because not all powers specify normal attacks. Wolverine's Adamantium Claws for example. Still, your point is valid that it should state normal attack, to avoid any possible complications.

I took the verbiage strait from Blade's card... does that mean Blade should be updated to fix this?

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

Without anything to say otherwise, the boost would stay in effect continually.

I definitely do not want that.

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

Only if he uses all 3 markers on his card on the first turn and then takes a wound every turn. That's just not going to happen all the time. Plus, with 12 Life, he wouldn't need to heal every wound. I think you're underestimating his stats, especially if you bumped them up 1 or 2.

Yeah I agree though he could use two markers his first two turns and his only marker on his last turn, then forgo the last marker to heal. This is if you stack all Order Markers on Apoc... something that wont work with the suggested changed to Bonding. Maybe doing away with the Order Marker activation is best and trying an anytime marker removal like bats suggested.

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

With the Green Lanterns, the boosts only go up, and only +1 for each, at that; and to a maximum of +5. Apocalypse would have +1 for marker on his card, plus potential +3 boosts for each one removed, and then you have to remember which stats you've boosted. The Lanterns already push some limits there, I feel like Apoc would go another step further.

I think they are just about the same. Though you are right there is much to factor in. I think it is not beyond the average superheroscaper though.

[Yodaking]

Originally Posted by TrollBrute

Actually, that's not quite right. There are no glyphs that give you special attacks, mostly because not all powers specify normal attacks. Wolverine's Adamantium Claws for example. Still, your point is valid that it should state normal attack, to avoid any possible complications.

Looks like I was wrong then. I looked over the glyphs and DO and can't find a SA anywhere. I swear I've seen multiple figures with powers that specify normal attack though even though they do not have a special attack and always assumed this was because a figure could gain a special attack from somewhere. Maybe I've imagined that too. Too many figures to go through looking for examples though.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

Here is a different take on how to give you everything you are trying to achieve.

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = APOCALYPSE
SECRET IDENTITY = EN SABAH NUR

SPECIES = EXTERNAL
UNIQUENESS = EVENT HERO
CLASS = CONQUEROR
PERSONALITY = METHODICAL
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6

LIFE = 12
MOVE = 4
RANGE = 2
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4
POINTS = 800

CELESTIAL TECHNOLOGY
Start the game with 3 blue Technology Markers on this card. Add 1 to Apocalypse's Move, Attack, and Defense numbers for each Technology Marker on this card.

BIO-MOLECULAR ALTERATION
After moving with Apocalypse, you may remove 1 Technology Marker from this card and move an additional 3 spaces. Before choosing a figure to target for a normal attack, you may remove 1 Technology Marker from this card and add 3 to his normal range number for the next attack. Before rolling attack dice for a normal attack, you may remove 1 Technology Marker from this card and roll 3 additional dice on that attack. Before rolling defense dice, you may remove 1 Technology Marker from this card and roll 3 additional dice when defending from that attack.

TECHNO-ORGANIC REGENERATION
After taking a turn with Apocalypse, if there are fewer than 3 Technology Markers on this card, you may either place 1 Technology Marker on this card or remove 1 wound marker from this card.

Now he is clearly limited to only using 1 Technology Marker to boost any 1 stat and the boost it clearly limited in duration. He can also now use the defense boost as needed rather then having it tied to an OM reveal. The wound healing can still take place at the expense of a Technology Marker and occurs only at the end of his turn. With no OM reveal required for any of his powers either, the earlier Horsemen turn order synergy I suggested works fine.

Wow Yoda I really like this approach! I wish there was a way to simplify it though so that you do not have to repeat
"Before rolling *insert term here* dice for a *insert term here*, you may remove 1 Technology Marker from this card and roll 3 additional dice on that *insert term here*."

I'm wondering if there is not a way to reword this. If so this has my vote so far by a longshot. Am I alone here or is this a simple solution to limiting the term of the bonus while removing the requirement to Specify and "X" Order Marker or any Order Marker for that matter. The only difference is that it lowers his maximum bonus to 3, which is ok with me.

Originally Posted by Tornado

I was going to give him a power called Tiny Arms which would not allow him to use Equipment Glyphs. Margloth suggested just making him an event hero and I agreed. His appearances in 2000AD comics is always eventful

See if you had done this he would have my first vote every time till he gets put through.

[Viegon]

I think you've got a really good start on Apocolypse, chief, though I agree with TB on most of his points. Especially the complexity; while it's not beyond playable, I know I just wouldn't want to play him with that amount of stat fluctuation. If there is one thing that bugs me about playing C3G games, it's the amount of time I spend reading and re-reading cards to make sure I'm not missing anything, and in my opinion this design would double the time spent doing that.

It's a really strong start, but it needs drastically simplified in my opinion.

[ibechief]

Originally Posted by Viegon

It's a really strong start, but it needs drastically simplified in my opinion.

I just do not think that there is a way to do this without completely changing the mechanic or loosing the theme that this captures.

Apocalypse should be very flexible. The guy has a laundry list of powers and has never been one to stick to a single power set even throughout one fight. I think once the changed by Yoda have been given time to be looked at I'll have a better design to post.