[Karat]

Yes, that is true (for both examples above) but it could still allow you to Kite him up with one of the older unrestricted bonders. Though you can still put your 3 on him with Batman and choose which way to go also and that might actually be the best play as you could attack Batman (less likely to wound him) and have him vanish and then Kite up with Etrigan only to have Jason and Batman both reappear at the end of the round.