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Forgot to post these in here awhile back:

Originally Posted by fret_gurglo

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific (160)

Army Test
Map: Fire Isles
Units: Doctor Mid-nite (150), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160), Sandman (80), Starman (190) (800) vs Iron Man (240), Mister Fantastic (235), The Thing (325) (800)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 5
Mr. T reroll attack: 1
Mr. T reroll defense: 2
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 2
Opponent reveals OM: 3
Champion of all Things Fair: 0
Wounds avoided: 0

Damage from normal attacks: 0

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Figures advance. Starman misses Iron Man. Hawkman misses Mr. Fantastic. Starman tosses Thing into lava for 1 wound then attacks Mr. Fantastic for 1 wound. Mr. Fantastic hits Hawkman for 2 wounds.
Round 2: Hawkman hits Mr. F for 2 wounds and Starman hits him for 1 wound. Iron Man destroys Hawkman. Mr. Fantastic hits Starman for 1 wound. Iron Man hits Mr. Terrific for 2 wounds. Thing destroys Starman and Dr. Mid-nite.
Round 3: Thing loses a turn from Sleeping Gas. Iron Man misses Mister Terrific. Thing destroys Sandman and Mr. Terrific.



Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Fantastic Three (or more accurately, The Thing) destroyed the Mystery Men. Iron Man with 0 wounds (4 Life remaining), Mister Fantastic with 4 wounds (1 Life remaining), The Thing with 1 wound (5 Life remaining).

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Army Test
Map: Fire Isles
Units: Doctor Mid-nite (150), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160), Sandman (80), Starman (190) (800) vs Iron Man (240), Mister Fantastic (235), The Thing (325) (800)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 8
Mr. T reroll attack: 3
Mr. T reroll defense: 3
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 1
Opponent reveals OM: 2
Champion of all Things Fair: 0
Wounds avoided: 0

Damage from normal attacks: 6

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Figures advance. Iron Man hits Starman for 2 wounds. Starman tosses Mr. Fantastic into lava for 1 wound and then attacks for another 3. Mr. Fantastic hits Starman for 1 wound.
Round 2: Thing destroys Starman and hits Dr. Mid-nite for 3 wounds. Hawkman destroys Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Terrific hits Thing for 4 wounds.
Round 3: Rockwall hits Hawkman for 1 wound. Mr. Terrific destroys Thing (rolled 5 skulls and rerolled 1 die for a total of 6 skulls). Hawkman hits Iron Man for 2 wounds.
Round 4: Iron Man hits Mr. Terrific for 1 wound. Hawkman destroys Iron Man



Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mystery Men win. Doctor Mid-nite 3 wounds (1 Life remaining), Hawkman 1 wound (4 Life remaining), Mister Terrific 1 wound (3 Life remaining), Sandman 0 wounds (4 Life remaining).

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Army Test
Map: Alkali Lake
Units: Flash (220), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160) (600) vs Angel (90), Cyclops (190), Jean Grey (180), Nightcrawler (140) (600)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 9
Mr. T reroll attack: 6
Mr. T reroll defense: 4
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 0
Opponent reveals OM: 0
Champion of all Things Fair: 2
Wounds avoided: 5

Damage from normal attacks: 8

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Figures advance. Jean Grey attacks Hawkman who rolls no shields against the single skull in attack. CoATF rerolls for a shield.
Round 2: Hawkman hits Nightcrawler for 1 wound. Mister Terrific hits Jean Grey for 3 wounds. Jean Grey again attacks Hawkman who rolls no shields against the 4 skulls in attack. CoATF rerolls for 4 shields. Hawkman hits Nightcrawler for another wound. Mister Terrific moves and destroys Jean Grey. Cyclops hits Mister Terrific for 1 wound.
Round 3: Flash hits Angel for 1 wound. Hawkman hits Angel for 2 wounds. Mister Terrific destroys Angel. Cyclops just can’t hit Mister Terrific.
Round 4: Mister Terrific destroys Nightcrawler. Cyclops hits Mister Terrific for 1 wound. Hawkman hits Cyclops for 2 wounds and Mister Terrific destroys him.



Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mystery Men win. Flash 0 wounds (4 Life remaining), Hawkman 0 wounds (4 Life remaining), Mister Terrific 2 wounds (2 Life remaining).

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I’m counting the first test as the anomaly. In all other tests Mister Terrific performed well above his 160 cost. He did all 6 wounds on the Thing to destroy him and hit each of the X-men for the final blow. With Hawkman giving a boost of +1 Attack, Mister Terrific is able to roll 4 skulls on the average. This is equivalent to a figure with an Attack of 8. The math for it:

Attack = 5 x 50% = 2.5 skulls
Reroll 2.5 at 50% = 1.25 for an average roll of 3.75 skulls
Compared to an Attack = 8 x 50% = 4 skulls

With height advantage (or any other Attack boost):
Attack = 6 x 50% = 3 skulls
Reroll 3 at 50% = 1.5 skulls for an average of 4.5 skulls

I think this actually puts him close to Solomon Grundy level. Stats between the two are very similar. Grundy has Tough, but I think 1000 talents (Defense portion only) is similar or maybe even a little better. Grundy’s big power is revival and Terrific is geared to boost himself and others in multiple ways. I would give Grundy the advantage here.


GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Very good design and overall booster for the Mystery Men, however I think as is, his cost should be 200+. To lower his cost I think his Attack should be reduced to 3.

Originally Posted by Arkham

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific @ 160

Army Test 1
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Superman(Kal-L)(370), Stargirl(150) (900)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Tigra(170), Wolverine(280) (900)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R2T2: 1 wound on Luke Cage. (Hawkman)
R3T1: 4 wounds on Wolverine(botched defense). (Hawkman)
R3T2: 2 wounds on Wolverine, kills him. (Hawkman)
R4T1: 4 wounds on Tigra, kills her. (Hawkman)

Notes:
R1T1: Iron Fist puts 3 wounds on Superman.
R1T2: Hawkman puts 2 wounds on Iron Fist(botched defense).
R1T2: Iron Fist puts 2 wounds on Superman.
R2T1: Superman kills Iron Fist(botched defense).
R2T1: Wolverine kills Superman.
R2T2: Hawkman puts 3 wounds on Cage(botched defense).
R2T2: Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Hawkman(botched defense), Luke Cage puts 2 wounds on Stargirl.
R3T1: Hawkman kills Luke Cage.
R4T1: Hawkman puts 3 wounds on Tigra.


Hawkman and Stargirl with 2 wounds, Mister Terrific with 0 wounds.

Each team fought in the middle. All of Mister Terrific's team got into the middle and towards Cage's base in 2 turns thanks to Stargirl and Hawkman's multiple turns. Superman and Hawkman led the charge in the early game, up against Luke Cage and Iron Fist. Iron Fist was taken out, but Superman was killed soon after. Hawkman and Stargirl took some hits while doing damage to Luke Cage. Mister Terrific helped finish things off for Luke Cage, and then obliterated Wolverine with Hawkman before he could take advantage of his wounds or heal. They then decimated Tigra before she could get a turn as well.

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Army Test 2
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Superman(Kal-L)(370), Stargirl(150) (900)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Tigra(170), Wolverine(280) (900)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R1T1: 3 wounds on Iron Fist. (Hawkman)

Notes:
R1T2: Iron Fist kills Mister Terrific(double botched defense).
R2T1: Hawkman puts 2 wounds on Iron Fist, Superman kills Iron Fist.
R2T3: Tigra puts 3 wounds on Hawkman.
R3T1: Hawkman and Superman both put 1 wound on Luke Cage.
R3T1: Luke Cage kills Hawkman.
R3T3: Tigra kills Stargirl, Luke Cage puts 2 wounds on Superman.
R4T2: Superman kills Luke Cage.
R4T3: Superman puts 2 wounds on Wolverine.
R5T1: Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Superman.
R5T2: Superman puts 4 wounds on Tigra.
R5T3: Tigra kills Superman.


Tigra has 4 wounds, Wolverine has 0 wounds.

Both team fought in the middle, same strategy as last time, except this time Mister Terrific played the role of heavy hitter early on instead of Superman. Unfortunately, he had a double botch against 4 skulls, so he was killed off in poor fashion. Superman came in to fill his place. Hawkman and Stargirl were both killed, as well as Iron Fist. Superman took out Luke Cage, but struggled against Wolverine and a Tigra at height. He wounded Tigra 1 away from death, but was then killed by her the following turn.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Mister Terrific plays well, and has some neat anti-botch powers(which unfortunately wasn't enough to stop him from double botching in the 2nd game). I'd say his support is OK, but his role as a power house is where he really shines. Don't have enough to draft Superman/Power Girl/Green Lantern, Mister Terrific would be your go to power hitter, especially so when teamed with Hawkman. His d20 manipulation wasn't used here, but I can't say appealing enough to really build a team around it(none of the Mystery Man d20 powers thus far seem worth building a team around, and a simple +1/-1 doesn't warrant doing so either IMO). His defense anti-botch for his team is nice, definitely a cool/useful support power. The bread and butter is with his ability to re-roll any non-skull/shield attack/defense dice once per attack/defense. That combined with Hawkman(and Flash, which I didn't use here in favor of the rematch after the big win) are definite solid combos. I'm glad I did a rematch, because his first game had me a bit concerned with his power level. I'd say taking the 2 into consideration(2nd game him botching hard), 1st game the other team having several botches themselves...I'd still say he needs a point bump. It's not unlikely that he'll be rolling 4-5 skulls with Hawkman, so that can be pretty deadly. I'd say a bump to 190 max should suffice, no lower than 180 unless mechanics change(which I don't think they should, he feels fun and useful as is). So 180-190 is decent.

Originally Posted by Gutudak

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific @ 160

Army Test 1
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Superman(370), Flash(Jay)(220), Stargirl(150), Sandman(80) (980)
vs.
Fantastic Four(1000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:

Champion of all things Fair:
R6T1: rerolls Superman's defense, to 4 shields.

Notes:
R1T3: Superman puts 4 wounds on Mr. F.
R2T2: Superman kills Mr. F.
R2T3: Superman puts 3 wounds on IW.
R3T2: Superman kills IW(botched defense).
R4T1: Superman puts 3 wounds on Human Torch.
R4T1: Human Torch Supernovas, 6 skulls, kills Flash, Stargirl reveals X for Superman, kills Stargirl, 2 wounds on Mr. Terrific.
R4T2: Superman kills HT.
R4T3: Superman puts 3 wounds on Thing.
R5T1: Superman puts 2 wounds on Thing.
R6T1: Superman kills Thing.

Mister Terrific with 2 wounds, Superman with 1 wound, and Sandman with 1 wound.

Both teams fight in the middle. Justice Society gets everyone in the middle, with Superman leading the charge, Sandman putting down the gas. Mr. Fantastic is rolling poorly the first few turns on activations, and gets hit with 4 wounds out of the gate and is killed soon after. Invisible Woman is next to go. Human Torch comes out with a massive Sueprnova killing Stargirl and Flash, but HT is killed quickly after. Thing tries, but doesn't last long either.

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Army Test 2
Map: Custom (same as Arkham's)
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Flash(Jay)(220), Superman(370) (970)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:


Champion of all things Fair:
R2T3: rerolled Flash's defense, to 1 shield.

Notes:
R1T2: Hawkman puts 3 wounds on IW(botched defense).
R2T2: Hawkman puts 4 wounds on Human Torch, Superman kills IW(botched defense).
R2T3: Thing clobbers Flash into oblivion, kills him, Human Torch puts 1 wound on Hawkman(botched defense), Mr. F. kills Hawkman.
R3T1: Human Torch kills Mister Terrific with a Supernova.

Human Torch with 4 wounds, Mr. Fantastic and Thing with 0 wounds.

Hawkman and co. went to the center towards the F4. Hawkman hit Invisible Woman for 3 wounds on an early botch. Human Torch took 4 wounds, and then Thing went Clobberin'. Superman killed Invisible Woman, but Thing came and killed Superman on a botch outside of Mr. T's range. Thing then killed Flash. Then Hawkman was killed by Mr. F. and Human Torch. Then Human Torch destroyed Mr. T. with a Supernova.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He's a good synergy for additional mobility. Especially if you are using Hawkman as you can't use Stargirl. He has good potential as a glass cannon. He really should have support by someone who can boost his defense. His anti-botch power can literally save a life. As it saved 4 wounds on Superman. Cost could be a little higher, as the JSA synergy is already looking to be very powerful.