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Re: The Book of King Ghidorah (Public Testing)
Results from toyhandle and Skinderella.
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Originally Posted by toyhandle
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: KING GHIDORAH
Army Test
Map: Dark Dimension
Units:
King Ghidorah (1000)
Mr. Fantastic (235), Invisible Woman (215), Silver Surfer (400), Iceman (150) (1000)
Results:
*Here I had misinterpreted the Roll of 5 for the SA as separate rolls instead of one for all, and rolled a second time for Iceman. He would have blocked the initial roll of 5, which only yielded 1 skull. This means he would not have died from Lightning wings in R1T3. This was the only instance of this mistake though.
I don’t think Iceman’s extra wound made too much of a difference in terms of game outcome. Ghidorah zoomed in and struck like lightning, dealing too many huge blows for the F4 to recover. Losing Sue R1T2 meant picking off the remaining members was easy work for Ghidorah, with his variety of offensive options.
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Game Summary:
Initiative: Toy
*R1T1(Player): Ghidorah flies forward, Special Attacks Surfer, who blocks, and uses Cosmic Speed, Invisible Woman blocks, and Iceman takes a wound
R1T1(Player): 4, Surfer grabs height, and attacks for a wound.
R1T2(Player): Ghidorah takes a LEA wound, engages IW and Iceman, 4 wounds with first attack, destroys her in second, and third puts 2 wounds on Iceman.
R1T2(Player): 14, Surfer grabs height, removes the X, attacks for 2 wounds. Iceman puts 1 wound, Ghidorah blocks Mr. F
R1T3(Player): Ghidorah uses lightning wings, 4 skulls, destroying Iceman, wounding Surfer, Mr. F, and a Rock, which only wounds Ghidorah
R1T3(Player): Surfer and Mr. F deal 1 wound each
Initiative: Skin
R2T1(Player): Surfer would deal 4 wounds, but Ghidrah removes a head marker.
R2T1(Player): Ghidorah grabs equal height, fails to wound Surfer with Special
R2T2(Player): Ghidorah blocks
R2T2(Player): Ghidorah deals 2 wounds to Surfer, and surfer moves out of range.
R2T3(Player): Ghidorah blocks
R2T3(Player): Ghidorah destroys Surfer, who whiffed on 3 skulls
No lava damage to Ghidorah
Initiative: Toy
R3T1(Player): Ghidorah destroys Reed
Who won?
Ghidorah with 8 wounds and 1 Head marker
Army Test
Map: Conflict Cherobyl
Units:
King Ghidorah (1000)
Songbird (180), Atlas (270), Techno (150), Meteorite (210), Citizen V (190) (1000)
Results:
Ghidorah was able to move from high value target to high value target, destroying one after another in rapid succession until there were only progressively weaker opponents.
Atlas did most of the work for his team, with a decent last stand from V.
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Game Summary:
Initiative: Skin
R1T1(Player): Atlas moves up
R1T1(Player): Ghidorah moves up
R1T2(Player): Techno chooses to double attack and add to his move. Songbird moves up, Techno inflicts 1 wound
R1T2(Player): Ghidorah attacks Songbird with special, which destroys a bush, putting 1 wound on Songbird. She and Atlas block.
R1T3(Player): OM3 on Meteorite, X on V, Ghidorah blocks Atlas and Meteorite
R1T3(Player): Ghidorah destroys Meteorite in 3 attacks.
Initiative: Toy
R2T1(Player): Ghidorah inflicts 1 wound on V in 3 attacks.
R2T1(Player): OM1 on Atlas, X on V, V inflicts 3 wounds on Ghidorah in 5 attacks of Swordplay, Songbird is blocked.
R2T2(Player): Ghidorah inflicts 0 wounds on Songbird in 3 attacks.
R2T2(Player): Ghidorah blocks Songbird and Atlas
R2T3(Player): Ghidorah destroys Songbird in 2 attacks, and V in third.
R2T3(Player): Atlas inflicts 1 wound on Ghidorah
Initiative: Toy
R3T1(Player): Ghidorah inflicts 2 wounds in 3 attacks on Atlas
R3T1(Player): Atlas inflicts 3 wounds
R3T2(Player): Ghidorah inflicts 2 wounds on Atlas, and takes 1 wound from Atlas
R3T2(Player): Atlas would destroy Ghidorah, but a Head marker is shed.
R3T3(Player): Lightning Wings destroys Atlas, wounds Techno, and a palm, which does not wound Techno
R3T3(Player): OM3 Atlas
Initiative: Toy
R4T1(Player): Ghidorah inflicts 2 wounds on Techno with second attack.
R4T1(Player): Ghidorah blocks Techno
R4T2(Player): Lightning wings destroys Techno
Who won? Ghidorah with 9 wounds and 1 head marker.
Army Test
Map: City Park
Units:
King Ghidorah (1000)
Godzilla (1000)
Results:
Godzilla had supremely low attack rolls, and weak or nonexistent defense (R1T1 took 5 wounds in 1 attack and 3 whiffs in a row R2T1 for 7 wounds). Ghidorah grabbed height early, and had massive attacks, which made this the most blowout win of any of the games.
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Army Test
Map: Martian War Zone
Units:
King Ghidorah (1000)
Surtur (1000)
Results:
Closest match of the game, because Surtur had Negated Ghidorah for 3 of 8 of Ghidorah’s turns. Surtur had almost half his life zapped R1T2 and struggled to gain height on Ghidorah, but was almost able to pull through, with this match ending with Ghidorah on his very last life.
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Army Test
Map: Ravaged Road
Units:
King Ghidorah (1000)
Baron Zemo, Wiccan, D.Va, She-Hulk (A), Lightning Bolt x1, Healing Energy x1 1000pts
Results:
One final test against the army that was destroying Biollante in Skinderella and my tests for her. And the team did even better than they did against Biollante, with Ghidorah only dealing out a total of 6 wounds. Wiccan failed to take off any Head Markers off with Reality Warper, but it didn’t matter, as She-Hulk took Ghidorah to 11 wounds, Objected my next turn, and the next two heads came off quickly after that.
Looking back, possibly could have been a closer turnout if I had focused on She-Hulk while Ghidorah still had three heads.
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Game Summary:
Initiative: Toy
R1T1(Player): Ghidorah moves out
R1T1(Player): D.Va, She-Hulk, carrying Wiccan move out
R1T2(Player): 5 skulls with Lightning Wings wounds D.Va, She- Hulk, Wiccan, a Great Evergreen, and the Short Ruin
R1T2(Player): Micro Missiles puts 1 wound on Ghidorah. She-Hulk Sensational Smashes for 1 wound, and attacks for 3 wounds
R1T3(Player): Ghidorah takes no LEA from She-Hulk, and special attacks Zemo for 1 wound
R1T3(Player): Wiccan fails to wound, or remove a marker. She Hulk’s Sensational Smash puts a wound on Ghidorah
Initiative: Skin
R2T1(Player): Ghidorah Blocks, and Reality Warp rolls a 4. She hulk puts 5 wounds on Ghidorah.
R2T1(Player): Objection
R2T2(Player): Micro Missiles removes a Head Marker. She-hulk removes last Head Marker.
R2T2(Player): Ghidorah puts 1 wound on She-Hulk
R2T3(Player): OM3 She-Hulk, for no wounds on Ghidorah
R2T3(Player): No wounds on She-Hulk
Initiative: Skin
R3T1(Player): Micro Missiles destroys Ghidorah
Who won?
She Hulk with 3 wounds, 1 wound on Zemo, Wiccan, and D.Va each
THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
Cost and Draftability are pretty much non issues for this character in this game, as he’s meant to be a solo 1000pt character.
As far as balance goes, I honestly felt he’d be fine without a second head marker. Which is fitting, as I don’t think he’s ever lost more than 1 head in a movie. I suppose in an army of several heavy hitters, he may actually need/require that extra head, but he was dominating so much of the time, if there were no second head marker, Games 1 and 2 would have been close wins, game 3 would be a closer win (still big), and Game 4 would be a close loss instead of a close win. Although, if I didn’t have the second head marker, I might not have the confidence to play so aggressively. But now with the knowledge of how useful just 1 marker is, I would probably play him the same with just 1.
He kind of reminds me of Guy Gardner, as a massive heavy hitter that can burn out quickly.
I don’t really see the loss against She-Hulk as indicative of anything, as I personally find her very undercosted, and that team wrecked Biollante as well.
One change I suggested for Biollante was for the Head Markers to have a clause stating, “Head markers cannot be removed from this card in any way except by this special power.” It was too easy for 200pt Wiccan to have a 50% shot at removing 1/3+ of Biollante’s life per round. Ghidorah’s markers don’t preserve him as much as Biollante’s do her, and he is much more mobile than Biollante, which made it more difficult for Wiccan to use Reality Warper, but I still think it would be a worthy addition for Ghidorah.
GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
Very cool how Ghidorah has an intimidating, maximum damage focused moveset. The Destructible Object interaction with the gravity beams is great representation.
I know that sometimes designs can be referred to as “lunchbox” versions. After the gravity beams, to me, strangling opponents with his necks is his next most iconic move, so I was sad not seeing it here.
Lighting Wings is a great, useful power, but I was iffy on it at first, as that strikes me as such a Monsterverse themed power. And it made me wonder, would there be a point to doing a Monsterverse Ghidorah now? I know there was interest in doing the Monsterverse Kong with the Ax. Would monsters from that universe be called “Titans” instead of Kaiju?
But the answer is, there’s always a way to do additional designs if we ever so chose, so I’m not worried about it. Monsterverse Ghidorah could resuse Lightning Wings, regrow heads, and have some sort of Alpha Predator thing. Who knows, not there yet, and I’m happy with this.
But because Lightning Wings first appeared in Mothra 3, I went back and watched the Ghidorah scenes, and this design reminds me a lot of how he is in that movie. Just a relentless, violent, dominating beast. And fast! He sprints in that movie! Mothra gets torn up.
Sometimes, especially in the older movies movies, Ghidorah left me with this impression that he was just a cool looking thing to beat up. But his appearance in Mothra 3, and this card, really deliver on what we want out of Ghidorah.
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Originally Posted by Skinderella
Hey Tornado! Here's my feedback on Ghidorah. Very scary piece, always been a fan of Ghidorah!
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Game 1: F4 vs. Ghidorah
Ghirodah felt really strong this game. His mobility, survivability, and damage output meant he could pick and choose his targets with ease, leading to my team being picked off quickly one by one. I could probably have placed Invisible Woman a bit better, but I think that would have only delayed things by a turn or two. The sheer amount of damage options he has means he can skirt around most special powers, which is a scary concept paired with being hard to lock down.
Game 2: Thunderbolts vs. Ghidorah
A little bit closer this time, but Ghidorah was still strong. His damage output is crazy and reminds me a lot of the Fen Hydra from Valhalla scape, which was a terrifying unit in that game. Didn’t feel like I could do much in this game to stop him either, as he could just take the LEAs to hunt priority targets. I’m getting a similar feeling to the Biollante games I played, where you probably need a bunch of figures with similar stats to him to really take him on.
Game 3: Ghidorah Vs. Godzilla
Just a bunch of dice rolling, but Ghidorah taking some height was pretty key here. His Wing Lightning Bolts are really strong against Huge figures, and it really helped secure victory here. Having Ghidorah in my own hands, he feels like Fen Hydra on steroids, but also almost 10 times as much. He has so many ways to hurt you that it feels like no figure is safe against him.
Game 4: Ghidorah Vs. Surtur
About as close as you can get it. Surtur’s ability to shut him down really helped his survivability. Without it, I’m not sure he would of lasted nearly as long. Fun game, very cool to see one of the original 1000 pointers take Ghidorah on.
Game 5: Ghidorah vs. Anti-Biollante build She-Hulk, Wiccan, Zemo, D.Va, spells that never got used.
toyhandle was back to playing Ghidorah for this game. We wanted to give this a quick go because it was so effective against Biollante. Turns out, this build didn’t even need Wiccan, as he didn’t get his Reality Warper off. She-Hulk + D.Va was enough to take Ghidorah on. I think She-Hulk is just really good with the amount of things she brings to the table. Those two dishing out a load of damage, and then the Objection!, is enough to shut Ghidorah down fast.
Overall thoughts:
I think Ghidorah is really strong. He’s got a strong early game that eases off as you fight him. It’s really hard to stop him from picking off who he wants. Flying + 7 Move lets him go almost anywhere, size permitting, and it’s worth it in the beginning for him to take LEAs if it means he can take out a hub or cheerleader.
He’s got a lot of options for offense, making him even harder to deal with as he can deal with different units accordingly. I like that Wing Lightning Bolts can deal with different armies, whilst not instantly deleting human sized targets. His special is very good both right out the gate when he can’t engage, and late game when he’s losing heads. It’s very hard to approach him, and no figure is safe against him.
This all said, he’s surprisingly squishy, where She-Hulk and Silver Surfer proved this. In a 1v1, She-Hulk isn’t bringing a whole lot, yet still did a lot to him. It should be noted that both of these figures had gained height on Ghidorah though, which definitely helped both of these fights. I could tell it was difficult for Ghidorah to approach, since She-Hulk could push forward, with D.Va out of range to use Defense Matrix, and Wiccan lurking to delete a head. Anything that can out do Ghidorah’s damage output puts Ghidorah in a lot of trouble, which She-Hulk does naturally and with ease.
One thing toyhandle informed me about during testing is that Ghidorah has only ever lost one head. Perhaps upping his life and giving him one less marker could increase his survivability and damage output, though I can see what the aim of Three Headed Monster is. I think Ghidorah is probably fine as is, but he’s very match up dependant, and I can see him falling into the same sort of categories as the Fen Hydra did as a really oppressive damage dealer that needs to be taken on with care, albeit so much harder to do here. He seems okay at 1000 if not a bit underpriced. I played him when toyhandle used Godzilla and Surtur, and he could definitely take them on, though I found it quite difficult to approach him in my first two games.
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