[IAmBatman]

Thanks for your feedback!
I understand your concerns about the point level needed to play this guy ... but the inclusion of the allied figure was a concession made to the LD who didn't want this guy to ever come off as "failable" ... yet we had to maintain game balance at the same time. His point cost is where it is for a few reasons ... the biggest of which is to really represent his power level and the "epic" nature that games with him in them should thematically be.
I think he's one that should sit on a shelf, honestly, and only be taken down a couple of times a year and savored, like fine wine.

Cheers,
Bats

Originally Posted by CharosInCharge

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Beyonder

This was the unit used to portray Beyonder.
- THEME TEST
PASS

- MIRROR TEST
PASS

- BONDING TEST
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST
PASS

- POWER CHECK
PASS

- FUN TEST
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST
PASS (Though Supreme Summoning can really mess your game plan up :P)

- DRAFTING TEST
PASS (Read comments below)

- USAGE TEST
PASS

- STRATEGY TESTPASS

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- Army Test/ Does it pass, Yes or No? What should be the unit's point value? Give a brief summary. PASS
Map: Black Root
Units: Beyonder, Dr Doom, doombot x1 (2,970) vs. Anti Monitor, Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, The Thing, Human Torch, She Hulk (2,910)

Spoiler Alert!

I played Beyonder and gang vs GamerHusband who had the F4 + AM combo. GH won initiative in the first round and was able to use Master of Time to take away one of my OM's. This turned my focus to taking out AM as quickly as I could... Not as easy as it sounds. The first round played out with Beyonder Summoning AM to him to chip away at his armor while GH was mainly using MF to leap She Hulk into the thick of things and the round ended looking like this.
At this point I began to use Mere Pawns as I had Dr Doom and She Hulk at my disposal should the 20 sider be kind. My first roll dropped a 20 and I attacked AM with both DD and She Hulk which stung a bit. No deaths in this round, as the 4 battled it out with GH focusing on trying to wound Beyonder as opposed to DD.

This was the end of round 2. You can see MF creeping up and AM had used his X to teleport away and shoot down from height.
Round 3 was when things where going good for me. I continued to use Mere Pawns and I took a turn with She Hulk who went and killed Mister Fantastic in 1 hit! This was a crippling blow to GH. With all of GH's OM's on a dead MF I dialed up the heat and picked off another key figure. Beyonder used Supreme Summoning to grab Invisible Woman and she was also killed in this round.

In comes The Thing and She Hulk.. Who gave me a tough time in the next round. Thing nearly killed Doom, and before he did GH cleverly used X on AM to go kill the lone Doombot in the back before taking out DD. Beyonder killed She Hulk as AM finished off DD.
As soon as Doom died Mere Pawns became way to much of a risk to use because if I didn't roll a 12+ I would basically lose my turn. Beyonder backs away from Thing and Summons Human Torch over and kills him in 2 turns.
R7 and 8 where a slug fest between AM and Beyonder.. going back and forth!

In the end...
Beyonder wins with 37 wounds!!

Spoiler Alert!

This was a very exciting match! I thought GH was done for once Mister Fantastic fell early in the game, but the F4 battled back. The Thing and She Hulk was a nasty combo towards the end, and AM provided GH with maneuverability and some needed range. Beyonder really controlled the board though. Supreme Summoning was a blast to play with and is in my opinion the jewel of this card. Mere Pawns was also used a lot! As soon as Doom died though, that changed. This was a great match that went down to the wire! A PT I won't soon forget.

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- Army Test/ Does it pass, Yes or No? What should be the unit's point value? Give a brief summary. PASS
Map: Black Root.
Units: Beyonder, Super Skrull, 1x Skrull Warrior (2,950) vs Hulk, Captain America, Martian Manhunter, Thor, Wonder Woman, Superman, Flash, Alfred Pennyworth, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Robin, Punisher (2,970).

Spoiler Alert!

I wanted to run the second test without Anti Monitor. The first round played out with martian Manhunter moving up and bringing along a few others with him, Beyonder moves up and Summons Green Arrow quickly to break up the BC/GA combo that was being moved up with MM. GA died in turn 3 just as BC reaches him.

Captain America was also moved up with Green Arrow and he joined the battle after Black Canarys death. Once he did I began using Mere Pawns with a nearby Super Skrull.

by the end of round 3 I rolled a 19 for Mere Pawns and was able to use CA to kill MM and then Super Skrull to finish CA. However SS was nearly dead at this point and Beyonder had 8 Wounds on him. Round 4 my opponent focused on killing SS by moving WW up to lasso him down and followed that with Superman who killed Skrull. A fun use of Supreme Summoning occured before Supes killed SSkrull. Beyonder used Supreme Summoning to Summon WW away from SSkrull and thus breaking the Lasso.

Just like the last game, once SSkrull died Mere Pawns became too big of a risk, so it was up to Beyonder with 8 wounds to finish the game for me. He killed WW and battled Supes in the next round who was quickly backed up by a leaping Hulk

Supes eventually died and Hulk recieved a few wounds which he in turn rage smashed Beyonder for some serious hits!
This was one of my favorite uses of Supreme Summoning. I quickly cooled a raging Hulk down by swapping his position with Alfred in the last turn of the round, and killed him in 1 shot! This forced Hulk to leap back over to Beyonder if he wanted to reach him the next turn. But I won Initiative and Summoned Hulk back and killed him! However Supes and Hulk both racked up some serious damage to Beyonder and Thor was approaching fast. The 2 battled it out, but Thor finally ended Beyonder with just 2 life left. Things looked grim for me as Thor met my Skrull Warriors. He quickly killed 1, but the last one rolled 4/4 skulls and killed Thor! Punisher and Robin moved in to clean up the mess though.
Robin and Punish win! Neither one had a wound.

Spoiler Alert!

I would like to thank my good friend GamerHusband for helping me playtest Beyonder! It always helps me to actually play a unit vs someone else.
Beyonder was a blast to play, hands down! Supreme Summoning saw a lot of play. If I wasn't using Mere Pawns then someone was being summoned every turn. I really like what this ability brings to the game, and it was a lot of fun thinking of clever ways to use it during a match.
Mere Pawns was used just about every time I had either Dr Doom/SSkrull and one of GH's Hero's in range. As soon as he killed my other heroes, it again became a ability that wasn't used.
Never-Ending Battle never saw any play, but it surely prevented Anti Monitor from ever using Erase From Existence... so in a way it played a part!

The only problem I see with this design is frankly his 2500 point cost which is paired with a ability that limits him unless you draft at least 1 unique hero with him (Mere Pawns). I'm not sure what you guys have planned for him in the Sanctum as far as if he has some sort of special scenario built around him at this cost, but this means that you would have to draft at least 3,000+ point armies should you decide to play with Beyonder. We drafted 3,000 point armies during PT and you can see the sheer number of top units we used just to match the 3,000 points... which means your games will be long.. and could make it way too long to even consider playing him with more then 2 people. We play 1,600 point armies every week at my game night and our games regularly hit 3 hours. I can't imagine how long they will be if we allowed Beyonder.

I would really hate to see such a awesome design sit on a shelf and never get played just because of his point cost.

Perhaps his 40 life could be dropped to 20 and his point total be lowered?

I really enjoyed playing him!

Just my 2 cents