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wulfhunter667 December 9th, 2010 12:31 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1286279)
Spoiler Alert!

Granting an attack to a figure because it was attacked is a slippery slope. I'd rather equip him with counter strike or a variant of counter strike.

Agreed.

Balantai December 9th, 2010 11:26 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by wulfhunter667 (Post 1286351)
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Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1286279)
Spoiler Alert!

Granting an attack to a figure because it was attacked is a slippery slope. I'd rather equip him with counter strike or a variant of counter strike.

Agreed.

These are some pretty wise men. Basically, rolling an attack when it is not your turn is a complete no-no by the official designers. This was stated by GBob. That doesn't mean you can't roll unblockable attack dice, only that you shouldn't be making a normal or Special Attack when it isn't your turn. Otherwise, looping can occur.

Lamaclown December 9th, 2010 04:02 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by machinekng (Post 1285998)
Okay, I just wanted to put a few ideas of my own out there.

The one thing I aslways wanted Inigo to have was a power that let him attack any adjacent figure that attacks him but I don't know how to word it.

I'll have the stats up tommorrow.

How about...

COUNTER ATTACK
When defending against an attack from an adjacent figure, Inigo may roll as many defense dice as the attacking figure does attack dice. When rolling... [insert Counterstrike text here].

wulfhunter667 December 9th, 2010 04:28 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1286798)
Quote:

Originally Posted by machinekng (Post 1285998)
Okay, I just wanted to put a few ideas of my own out there.

The one thing I aslways wanted Inigo to have was a power that let him attack any adjacent figure that attacks him but I don't know how to word it.

I'll have the stats up tommorrow.

How about...

COUNTER ATTACK
When defending against an attack from an adjacent figure, Inigo may roll as many defense dice as the attacking figure does attack dice. When rolling... [insert Counterstrike text here].

Problem with that is, Inigo attacks someone with a lower Attack then he has Defense and gets screwed. Honestly guys, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. K.I.S.S. ;)

Lamaclown December 9th, 2010 04:38 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by wulfhunter667 (Post 1286837)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1286798)
Quote:

Originally Posted by machinekng (Post 1285998)
Okay, I just wanted to put a few ideas of my own out there.

The one thing I aslways wanted Inigo to have was a power that let him attack any adjacent figure that attacks him but I don't know how to word it.

I'll have the stats up tommorrow.

How about...

COUNTER ATTACK
When defending against an attack from an adjacent figure, Inigo may roll as many defense dice as the attacking figure does attack dice. When rolling... [insert Counterstrike text here].

Problem with that is, Inigo attacks someone with a lower Attack then he has Defense and gets screwed. Honestly guys, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. K.I.S.S. ;)

I'm not following your objection.

Inigo gets attacked with 5 attack dice by an adjacent figure he can choose to roll 5 defense dice. He gets attacked with 2 attack dice by an adjacent fig he can choose to roll his normal defense. Seems pretty simple to me, but I may be missing the point you are making.

dfonse December 9th, 2010 05:06 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Great choice! but i would likevto change six figured man. maybe change it to +1against tricky. I know this is themed but there are very few heroscape figures that have an an ability thAt pertains to a perticular figure. most abilities are more general.

wulfhunter667 December 9th, 2010 08:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1286854)
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Originally Posted by wulfhunter667 (Post 1286837)
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Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1286798)
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Originally Posted by machinekng (Post 1285998)
Okay, I just wanted to put a few ideas of my own out there.

The one thing I aslways wanted Inigo to have was a power that let him attack any adjacent figure that attacks him but I don't know how to word it.

I'll have the stats up tommorrow.

How about...

COUNTER ATTACK
When defending against an attack from an adjacent figure, Inigo may roll as many defense dice as the attacking figure does attack dice. When rolling... [insert Counterstrike text here].

Problem with that is, Inigo attacks someone with a lower Attack then he has Defense and gets screwed. Honestly guys, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. K.I.S.S. ;)

I'm not following your objection.

Inigo gets attacked with 5 attack dice by an adjacent figure he can choose to roll 5 defense dice. He gets attacked with 2 attack dice by an adjacent fig he can choose to roll his normal defense. Seems pretty simple to me, but I may be missing the point you are making.

What you have there does not say that, or does not say it clearly enough. The fact remains, IMHO, Counterstrike, by itself, more than covers what the intent for Indigo is. I think leave well enough alone and be done with it.

Taeblewalker December 9th, 2010 08:28 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by wulfhunter667 (Post 1287173)
What you have there does not say that, or does not say it clearly enough. The fact remains, IMHO, Counterstrike, by itself, more than covers what the intent for Indigo is. I think leave well enough alone and be done with it.

I don't know what the intent for Indigo is, but it works pretty well for Inigo. :p

Lamaclown December 9th, 2010 08:58 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667 (Post 1287173)
What you have there does not say that, or does not say it clearly enough.

I have to disagree, but, whatever, it isn't a hill to die on. :D
Moving on...

Balantai December 10th, 2010 11:25 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Let's get Machinekng's draft. :D

machinekng December 10th, 2010 05:29 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Inigo Montoya
Fights for Einar

Human
Unique Hero
Duelist
Dedicated
Medium 5

Life 4
Move 6
Range 1
Attack 4
Defense 5


MY NAME IS INIGO MONTOYA 17
When Inigo receives enough wounds to be destroyed by an attack from an adjacent unique hero, you may roll the 20-sided die before removing him. If you roll a 17 or higher, ignore all skulls rolled by the attacking hero. You may add 2 to the die roll for each wound marker on this army card.

YOU KILLED MY FATHER
At the start of the game, choose one opponent's unique hero. When attackingthe chosen hero with Inigo, you mayroll two additional dice.

PREPARE TO DIE!
When rolling defense dice against an attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess sheilds count as unblockable hits on the opposing figure.


Okay.

My Name is Inigo Montoya is slightly harder to get than the suggested wound-negation abilities, but this wording would allow Inigo to give that figure Counterstrike damage.

Prepare to Die is a Modified Counterstrike that also affects special attacks.

NecroBlade December 12th, 2010 07:54 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
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Originally Posted by machinekng (Post 1287954)
PREPARE TO DIE!
When rolling defense dice against an attack from an adjacent attacking figure, all excess sheilds count as unblockable hits on the opposing figure.

Zombies of Morindan. Ashigaru Yari.

Both have special attacks that allow them to attack with 3 figures at once. Which one would get the unblockable hits?

Either leave it "normal attack" like Counter Strike, or make the wording "a SINGLE adjacent attacking figure" a la C3G's Batman (so it CAN affect special attacks, but not those by multiple figures).


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