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TheAverageFan October 14th, 2021 08:47 PM

Gimli - Rough Draft
 
GIMLI Rough Draft 1.3

NAME = GIMLI

GENERAL = AQUILLA
SPECIES = DWARF
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = FEARLESS
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM/4

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4
POINTS = 170

DWARVEN ASSAULT
Gimli may attack any or all figures adjacent to him or attack the same figure one additional time. Roll each attack separately.

DURIN'S TACTICS 1
Gimli rolls an additional defense die while engaged.

TheAverageFan October 14th, 2021 08:47 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
[reserved]

~TAF

TheAverageFan October 14th, 2021 09:01 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Design Thoughts:
I don't know about this one. Gimli's a hard character to attack because by default he gets Dwarven Bonding from the Axegrinders. He needs to be good as one of the three hunters and a renowned fighter, but not so good that he becomes overpowered when combined with Bonding.

Gimli is a beast in melee combat, so I felt that Dwarven Assault should be the centerpiece of him as a fighter. Whirlwind Assault or Double Attack are both good for different reasons, be it swarms or taking down a tough hero, but access to both would make him highly effective. Fearless Advantage is a carryover from the Axegrinder, but it seemed appropriate given the battles against Wolves, the Watcher in the Water, Cave Trolls, and Swogs throughout the Fellowship of the Ring. Lastly for melee efficiency is a power that gives a defense boost while engaged. Tough might be too good and Melee Defense 1 too bad, so it seemed a happy medium. Plus it made sense with getting defense while engaged even against Range since dwarves are small and can get lost in the heat of battle rather easily. I'm not satisfied with the current power name though. At present it could be dropped easily.

5 Life and 5 Move seem fine for a stout fighter. 4/4 is average for a Hero, with the capacity to get up to 5/6 depending on circumstance. He should be ideal for melee combat against Squads and Heroes alike, opposite Legolas' being ideal for ranged combat. 160 points is around Siege range given similar stats and surround attacking. Fighter could be traded for Champion or Adventurer, while Fearless could be traded for Reckless or Disciplined.


Other Power Ideas:
Throwing Hatchet SA: In the films Gimli uses small throwing hatchets to great effect. A ranged SA would be good for versatility, though both Range and SAs are considered dangerous when accounting for Axegrinder bonding.
Fellowship or Three Hunter Bonding: Likely OM-revealed Movement Bonding for easier use of either adventuring party. I'm definitely feeling this due to it giving him separation from Axegrinders.
Defense Buff Mark II: Tough, Melee Defense. Dwarves are well know for being fire-resistant, so perhaps even some form of protection against SAs
Fearless Advantage: Obvious choice for theme for a reckless fighter dwarf


Let the workshopping begin!

~TAF

TREX October 14th, 2021 11:06 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
This is the best take on Gimli I've seen yet. I like that he can double attack a single figure or single attack all figures around him. I picked up on it, but it may need worded a hair better to avoid confusion. Otherwise this is downright lovely.
Perhaps
DWARVEN ASSAULT
When Gimli attacks normally, he may either attack all opponent's figures adjacent to him or attack one additional time figure up to two times. Roll each attack separately.

Shiftrex October 18th, 2021 05:46 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
I second Trex's assessment, I like what you have here. My only thought is a question, are you wanting to boost Gimli's defense against everything if he is engaged? Ie, he gets the defense boost from engaging an arrow grut when a grut from 5 spaces away shoots him, and then also from Mimring's special 8 spaces away?

If you are just going for defense against the figure he is engaged with then we can recycle Melee Defense from 10th Reg.

TheAverageFan October 18th, 2021 06:47 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Yes, it is supposed to give him a Defense boost against everything as long as he is engaged, similar to the Mohicans' Battle Fury. Ergo Gimli wants to be engaged as often as possible to be protected against ranged fire and Reach. Him being at his best while in the thick of combat seemed thematically appropriate.

~TAF

Shiftrex October 18th, 2021 07:34 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Excellent! Just making sure of the intention. Gimli is a beast and well worth the points as a dwarf bonding option.

Chris Perkins October 19th, 2021 10:07 AM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
For Dwarven assault, I think Gimli should be allowed to attack 4 of 5 surrounding figures but ignore the last one if he wants (keep it engaged, whatever reason) but the current wording doesn't allow for that.

How about:
"Gimli may attack any or all figures adjacent to him or attack the same figure one additional time. Roll each attack separately."

TheAverageFan October 19th, 2021 12:26 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Perkins
For Dwarven assault, I think Gimli should be allowed to attack 4 of 5 surrounding figures but ignore the last one if he wants (keep it engaged, whatever reason) but the current wording doesn't allow for that.

How about:
"Gimli may attack any or all figures adjacent to him or attack the same figure one additional time. Roll each attack separately."

Good thinking; done

Are folks satisfied with the Engagement Defense 1 power and if so is there a better power name that could be used? I came up with it on the fly and it could probably use a less stiff name like the Mohicans' Battle Fury or something blunt but immediately understandable like Tough, though I can't think of anything at present.

~TAF

Chris Perkins October 19th, 2021 01:16 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAverageFan (Post 2485707)
Are folks satisfied with the Engagement Defense 1 power and if so is there a better power name that could be used? I came up with it on the fly and it could probably use a less stiff name like the Mohicans' Battle Fury or something blunt but immediately understandable like Tough, though I can't think of anything at present.

~TAF

I'm not sure about that power yet, don't have much of a firm opinion one way or the other yet.

If it was included, I'd probably prefer a name that's more symbolic, like "Dwarven Resolve" or something like that.

Shiftrex October 19th, 2021 05:41 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Durin's Tactics
Would nail it as a dwarf thing and explain why Gimli does it but the other scape dwarves dont. Gives us the ability to put it on other dwarves because they are Durin's folk. Random input on that lol.

Chris Perkins October 19th, 2021 05:46 PM

Re: Gimli - Rough Draft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shiftrex (Post 2485762)
Durin's Tactics
Would nail it as a dwarf thing and explain why Gimli dies it but the other scape dwarves downt. Gives us the ability to put it on other dwarves because they are Durin's folk. Random input on that lol.

I like "Durin's Tactics" a lot for all the reasons given here. It gets my vote.


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