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chas April 4th, 2014 07:53 AM

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Dr Who On Demand: It was great to be able to see a discussion of what each actor brought to the role, and then a sample episode of each too, as I'd never seen more than half of them up till now. The anniversary episode with John Hurt as a doctor was great. So was the "documentary" reenactment of how the show was originally created and shot.

I have a pal from England staying over for a few days. We went to Forbidden Planet and I got some more of those wonderful Lego type Daleks, which I'd only found at a Convention previously, including a new color for me: orange. I use them for Superhero Scape. Exterminate!

Hahma April 15th, 2014 11:27 PM

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Watched the season premier of Mad Men tonight. Love that show.

I also watched the Pilot episode of Turn that I had recorded. Awesome show.

chas April 16th, 2014 06:38 AM

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Watching the two newest Justice League animations on DVD. Bruce Timm seems to be out of the business, but his associate Sam Register is producing, with Andrea Romano on board for casting and voice direction as well. They are 'War' (2013) and 'The Flashpoint Paradox,' (2014) based on graphic novels by Geoff Johns and others.

Hahma April 20th, 2014 11:31 PM

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Watched episode 2 of Turn the other day and episode 3 tonight. Awesome show!

Yodaking April 20th, 2014 11:36 PM

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Loved the end of GoT tonight.

chas April 22nd, 2014 02:48 PM

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8) Fans of this thread may recall that only hours before the first episode of Marvel's Agents of SHIELD premiered, I said I was mainly tuning in to find out the most important mystery of all...did Phil Coulson ever get his Captain America trading cards back? Phil in fact revealed in that first episode that he did not.

Now note tonight's program description:

NEW. "The Only Light In The Darkness" As the world is turned upside down, Coulson tries to save his one true love; the mystery of The Cellist is revealed.

Will Phil and his cards be reunited at last!?! Let's hope so.

William099 April 23rd, 2014 11:50 AM

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Started watching a show called Revolution on Netflix. All the power in the world goes out in a single cataclysmic event. Its off to a good start so far!

Hahma April 23rd, 2014 12:06 PM

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Started watching a show called Revolution on Netflix. All the power in the world goes out in a single cataclysmic event. Its off to a good start so far!

The wife and I have enjoyed that show since it first came on. :)

boromir96 April 23rd, 2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by William099 (Post 1930918)
Started watching a show called Revolution on Netflix. All the power in the world goes out in a single cataclysmic event. Its off to a good start so far!

The wife and I have enjoyed that show since it first came on. :)

Yup, very good! Starts again in a week... :D

Hahma April 27th, 2014 11:06 PM

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Watched Turn tonight. Continues to be an awesome show on AMC.

Hahma April 30th, 2014 10:00 PM

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The Blacklist
Grimm
Chicago Fire
Agents of Shield
Mad Men
Chicago PD

chas May 1st, 2014 06:26 AM

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:lol: All the old seasons of Archer, the animated spy spoof. Its a guilty pleasure. I just saw an episode with Anthony Bourdain as a chef. There's also one which crossed over to Bob's Burgers, another show in which the lead voice actor does the main character. I'm not crazy about BB, but the Archer episode was clever.

Vikings Season Two. This continues to be the best thing ever made on the Viking Age. I usually get people to watch it by mentioning that the hero is the same role Ernest Borgnine played in the old beloved Kirk Douglas flic!

chas May 2nd, 2014 11:25 PM

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:lol: DUCK DODGERS IN THE 24 1/2 CENTURY (two seasons on four disks; total 26 cartoons by Cartoon Network, 2003) starring Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, and others. Producer Sam Register, theme sung by Tom Jones. Many celebrity guest voices and meta media satires. Don't miss "Samurai Quack" with guest voices Gennedy Tartakofsky and Mako. Extra includes the original Chuck Jones cartoon. Will Marvin the Martian conquer the Earth?

Hahma May 3rd, 2014 11:37 PM

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Big Bang Theory
Grimm
Elementary
3rd period and OT of Ducks/Kings NHL playoff game.

Hahma May 13th, 2014 05:21 PM

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Turn
The Black List

heroscaper2010 May 13th, 2014 10:32 PM

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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Finale.

Great first season! Can't wait for the fall! :D

chas May 14th, 2014 06:48 AM

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SHIELD Finale:

It was more satisfying than I expected, as they actually tied up or finished a few things (and did so unexpectedly). This show has gone from iffy to decent, but still has a way to go if it is to draw the kind of numbers they probably need.

Spoiler Alert: Coulson still doesn't have his cards back!

Hahma May 25th, 2014 10:55 PM

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Turn

Ninja Status May 26th, 2014 11:04 AM

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Started Game of Thrones the other day. Finished the first season in under 3 days.

Heroscaper Guy May 26th, 2014 11:13 AM

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Sword Art Online at "The Blue Eyed Demon" episode (9 of 25). It's a very interesting anime so far, and I highly recommend it. It's gotten me thinking about some things.

Hahma May 29th, 2014 08:47 PM

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The World Wars on The History Channel.


Man, this is a great mini series and really shows how many of the major political and military leaders of WWII started out in WWI as soldiers and how several events led to Hitler and the Nazi party gaining power. Also shows how Mussolini got to be where he was and that he was an inspiration to Hitler. Also shows how Japan left the Versailles treaty feeling left out and shamed, even though they supported the allied forces, and how they would build up their empire.

Interesting how the great depression had the U.S. and England using infrastructure as a means to get their countries back to work and out of the depression, at the cost of cutting the military, while the Germans and Japan used that time to build up their military.

Yodaking June 2nd, 2014 04:22 PM

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Turn
The Black List

I've been watching both as well. Turn really is quite good, makes me want to break out my 4th Mass & 10th Foot for a game. I wonder how much of it is fact and how much is added in for the sake of a TV show.

Tornado June 2nd, 2014 04:50 PM

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The World Wars on The History Channel.


Man, this is a great mini series and really shows how many of the major political and military leaders of WWII started out in WWI as soldiers and how several events led to Hitler and the Nazi party gaining power. Also shows how Mussolini got to be where he was and that he was an inspiration to Hitler. Also shows how Japan left the Versailles treaty feeling left out and shamed, even though they supported the allied forces, and how they would build up their empire.

Interesting how the great depression had the U.S. and England using infrastructure as a means to get their countries back to work and out of the depression, at the cost of cutting the military, while the Germans and Japan used that time to build up their military.

Great series. Very well done. If Hitler would have been a little smarter and not had so many battles going on at once, he may have pulled off a victory. Taking on Russia before crushing England was a major tactical error. Thank heavens for his arrogance and the Russian winter.

AnubianWolf88 June 2nd, 2014 05:02 PM

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Warehouse 13: Just finished Season 1. Is Artie REALLY dead?
Jericho: Halfway through Season 1. Ehh, my wife likes it.

AW88

Aldin June 2nd, 2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hahma (Post 1942473)
The World Wars on The History Channel.


Man, this is a great mini series and really shows how many of the major political and military leaders of WWII started out in WWI as soldiers and how several events led to Hitler and the Nazi party gaining power. Also shows how Mussolini got to be where he was and that he was an inspiration to Hitler. Also shows how Japan left the Versailles treaty feeling left out and shamed, even though they supported the allied forces, and how they would build up their empire.

Interesting how the great depression had the U.S. and England using infrastructure as a means to get their countries back to work and out of the depression, at the cost of cutting the military, while the Germans and Japan used that time to build up their military.

Great series. Very well done. If Hitler would have been a little smarter and not had so many battles going on at once, he may have pulled off a victory. Taking on Russia before crushing England was a major tactical error. Thank heavens for his arrogance and the Russian winter.

Tough call really. England had little in the way of natural resources like the oil fields Germany needed around the Baltic. The real failure was in failing to understand the response of the USA and the sheer amount of power she could project in a relatively short time (and on two fronts). Sea Lion makes sense if you anticipate the US response. Otherwise, pursuing the oil made a lot of sense.

~Aldin, wondering what would have happened without Pearl Harbor

Buddy Lee June 2nd, 2014 09:57 PM

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So, anyone wonder what the last thing that went through Oberyn Martell's mind was?

The Mountain's hands.

:rimshot:

Buddy Lee

nate the dawg June 2nd, 2014 11:16 PM

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So, anyone wonder what the last thing that went through Oberyn Martell's mind was?

The Mountain's hands.

:rimshot:

Buddy Lee

:lol:

The scene was exceptionally well done. Alas, another likeable character bites the dust.

chas June 3rd, 2014 07:14 AM

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;) Top Cat: All 30 episodes! (DVD set) After The Flintstones, TC appeared in prime time in 30 minute episodes as a major effort by Hanna-Barbera in the early 1960s. Many of the characters were drawn to resemble their voice actors, which you can see in the extras. One of the writers was from the old Sgt. Bilko (Phil Silvers) TV show, which it was based on, as the earlier show was based on The Honeymooners. Bruce Willis, who sang the TC theme song on the old Moonlighting TV show, is a fellow fan. You can see the actors who do the voices for TC (Arnold Stang) and Choo-Choo (Marvin Kaplan) together in Its A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, in the gas station scene with Phil Silvers himself and Jonathan Winters!

Tornado June 3rd, 2014 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hahma (Post 1942473)
The World Wars on The History Channel.


Man, this is a great mini series and really shows how many of the major political and military leaders of WWII started out in WWI as soldiers and how several events led to Hitler and the Nazi party gaining power. Also shows how Mussolini got to be where he was and that he was an inspiration to Hitler. Also shows how Japan left the Versailles treaty feeling left out and shamed, even though they supported the allied forces, and how they would build up their empire.

Interesting how the great depression had the U.S. and England using infrastructure as a means to get their countries back to work and out of the depression, at the cost of cutting the military, while the Germans and Japan used that time to build up their military.

Great series. Very well done. If Hitler would have been a little smarter and not had so many battles going on at once, he may have pulled off a victory. Taking on Russia before crushing England was a major tactical error. Thank heavens for his arrogance and the Russian winter.

Tough call really. England had little in the way of natural resources like the oil fields Germany needed around the Baltic. The real failure was in failing to understand the response of the USA and the sheer amount of power she could project in a relatively short time (and on two fronts). Sea Lion makes sense if you anticipate the US response. Otherwise, pursuing the oil made a lot of sense.

~Aldin, wondering what would have happened without Pearl Harbor

That was more on Japan though correct? I am not sure how strong the communication was between Germany and Japan but you are absolutely correct that involving USA too early was a blunder. He should have finished off England, invaded Russia and then went after USA but as you stated Japan needed the oil to continue their campaign.
How tightly did Germany and Japan work? Was Germany pulling the strings in Japan?
Also Germany should have just waited a little while until they finished developing their flying saucers and death rays. :)

Yodaking June 3rd, 2014 11:30 AM

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The show did cover that. Germany actually declared war on the US before Peal Harbor took place. I don't recall the rational behind it right now but he (Hitler) was not really being rational anymore at this point in History. I agree with your earlier point about turning on Russia. Had he honored their previous pact and even built on it by making more deals to divide up sections of the Middle East between the two (or 3 if Italy was part of the plans) of them, he would have most likely won the war over England even with the US involved. Russia would not have helped the US with Japan and most likely joined in on a US invasion by taking back Alaska.

Hahma June 3rd, 2014 12:53 PM

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The show did cover that. Germany actually declared war on the US before Peal Harbor took place. I don't recall the rational behind it right now but he (Hitler) was not really being rational anymore at this point in History. I agree with your earlier point about turning on Russia. Had he honored their previous pact and even built on it by making more deals to divide up sections of the Middle East between the two (or 3 if Italy was part of the plans) of them, he would have most likely won the war over England even with the US involved. Russia would not have helped the US with Japan and most likely joined in on a US invasion by taking back Alaska.

Yeah, there was a lot that could have drastically changed had Hitler left Russia alone. Fortunately he was a nutjob and made some key mistakes.

Aldin June 3rd, 2014 01:08 PM

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I'm not sure any deal he had with Russia was going to stand up for very long anyway. Russia began almost immediately annexing little bits of land here and there and expanding the borders. The argument to go for a knock out punch there before Russia had a chance to fully mobilize and start crunching on the Baltics made a lot of sense.

It was a near thing. What if they started a month earlier like they originally planned? What if the winter was unusually good instead of unusually bad? Yes, Germany failed in Russia, but it's not like that would have been readily apparent when the decision was made.

~Aldin, land war... asia... yadda yadda (yes, I know Moscow is in Europe - but still...)

Hahma June 3rd, 2014 01:18 PM

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At the time things were pretty easy for the Germans. Nobody jumped in to help Czechoslovakia or the other little landgrabs earlier. Then Poland, Holland, Denmark and France were easy. So it was a cakewalk and Hitler probably thought the Russians were inferior to the "superior race" and be ripe for the picking.

Him not being able to neutralize England was huge, as the bombing campaign from England started taking a toll, and the D-Day launch came from there. And declaring war on the U.S. was pretty stupid too.

Crixus33 June 3rd, 2014 02:54 PM

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The show did cover that. Germany actually declared war on the US before Peal Harbor took place. I don't recall the rational behind it right now but he (Hitler) was not really being rational anymore at this point in History. I agree with your earlier point about turning on Russia. Had he honored their previous pact and even built on it by making more deals to divide up sections of the Middle East between the two (or 3 if Italy was part of the plans) of them, he would have most likely won the war over England even with the US involved. Russia would not have helped the US with Japan and most likely joined in on a US invasion by taking back Alaska.

To the bolded: I'm pretty sire at that point US was using the cash and carry policy with England for military supplies. At first England had to carry them all the way from the US to England, but FDR decided to shorten the trip by allowing US merchant ships escorted by military convoys to take the cargo as far as Iceland. German subs started sinking US Naval ships of the coast of Iceland (as well as pretty much any ship) and US naval ships responded with fire. I believe only one US ship actually sank with no sinkings against the Germans, but this may have been why the US and Germany declared war on each other before Pearl Harbor.

Aldin June 3rd, 2014 02:55 PM

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And declaring war on the U.S. was pretty stupid too.

It's not that I think he made a bunch of great choices, it's just that I think labeling them "stupid" is too strong. He declared war on the USA after his ally, Japan, had bombed Pearl Harbor. It seems reasonable to me to think that the USA might be focusing on Japan rather than on him.

Hitler overestimated his allies, Italy and Japan and underestimated Russia, England and the USA. But how was he supposed to know? Russia he almost succeeded in taking, England had tried to appease him as recently as 1938 when he annexed the Sudentenland and the USA was supposed to be tied up fighting Japan.

In the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there was a winning condition for Hitler. If he takes England in Sea Lion, Russia grows strong in the interim. If he manages to take Russia and then England, Japan still falls to the USA in the Pacific and China, the USA and unconquered eastern Russia come through the Middle East and the Baltics. There just were never going to be enough resources for Hitler to conquer the world. If for no other reason than he just plain didn't have enough people.

~Aldin, who thinks Hitler was evil and crazy but thinks turning him into a cartoon of himself is a disservice to making sure a new Hitler never arises

Aldin June 3rd, 2014 02:56 PM

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The show did cover that. Germany actually declared war on the US before Peal Harbor took place. I don't recall the rational behind it right now but he (Hitler) was not really being rational anymore at this point in History. I agree with your earlier point about turning on Russia. Had he honored their previous pact and even built on it by making more deals to divide up sections of the Middle East between the two (or 3 if Italy was part of the plans) of them, he would have most likely won the war over England even with the US involved. Russia would not have helped the US with Japan and most likely joined in on a US invasion by taking back Alaska.

To the bolded: I'm pretty sire at that point US was using the cash and carry policy with England for military supplies. At first England had to carry them all the way from the US to England, but FDR decided to shorten the trip by allowing US merchant ships escorted by military convoys to take the cargo as far as Iceland. German subs started sinking US Naval ships of the coast of Iceland (as well as pretty much any ship) and US naval ships responded with fire. I believe only one US ship actually sank with no sinkings against the Germans, but this may have been why the US and Germany declared war on each other before Pearl Harbor.

Oops, meant to address this - Hitler declares war on December 11, four days after Pearl Harbor.

~Aldin, addendumly

Hahma June 3rd, 2014 03:20 PM

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And declaring war on the U.S. was pretty stupid too.

It's not that I think he made a bunch of great choices, it's just that I think labeling them "stupid" is too strong. He declared war on the USA after his ally, Japan, had bombed Pearl Harbor. It seems reasonable to me to think that the USA might be focusing on Japan rather than on him.

Hitler overestimated his allies, Italy and Japan and underestimated Russia, England and the USA. But how was he supposed to know? Russia he almost succeeded in taking, England had tried to appease him as recently as 1938 when he annexed the Sudentenland and the USA was supposed to be tied up fighting Japan.

In the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure there was a winning condition for Hitler. If he takes England in Sea Lion, Russia grows strong in the interim. If he manages to take Russia and then England, Japan still falls to the USA in the Pacific and China, the USA and unconquered eastern Russia come through the Middle East and the Baltics. There just were never going to be enough resources for Hitler to conquer the world. If for no other reason than he just plain didn't have enough people.

~Aldin, who thinks Hitler was evil and crazy but thinks turning him into a cartoon of himself is a disservice to making sure a new Hitler never arises


Yeah, "stupid" is too strong. That's what I get when trying to respond from work when I'm not supposed to be on the computer much and I end up rushing my responses. Perhaps "crazy" is more appropriate.

Hitler was smart in the way he had tested the world in so many ways. He got himself into power because the leaders in Germany figured they could control him and his annoying party, but that backfired when he had them killed and took over for himself.

He went in and took Austria, then Alsace Lorrain (sp?) and then into parts of Czechoslovakia. While there were verbal protests here and there, nobody was going to stand up to him. Chamberlain didn't want war, as England and France were still recovering from WWI. So Hitler pushed more and took the rest of Czechoslovakia then went to Poland, Holland etc. He couldn't move tanks into England and they had the best Navy around, so he tried bombing them into submission, but that made them stronger.

Italy wasn't doing much to help hold up their end of the bargain.

Japan pretty much overextended a bit and Midway was the turning point where we kicked them in the teeth and our industrial might was showing what it was capable of.

Germany and Japan weren't the largest countries, but they had built up their military while the U.S. and England were building up their infrastructure. Both Germany and Japan had a good head start at the beginning of the war, but when push came to shove, England and the U.S. caught up and were cranking out planes, tanks, ships.

I just think that for Hitler to think he could take over the entire world, it was a little bit "ambitious". :D

Aldin June 3rd, 2014 04:49 PM

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Well said, Hahma. Whenever I consider his options during WW2, I always end up wondering what would have happened if Hitler had sued for peace in June of 1940, giving away all of the territory west of the Seine and claiming what had happened as retaliation for the bungled post-WW1 management of Germany.

~Aldin, bite-sized chunk-ly

Lazy Orang June 3rd, 2014 05:02 PM

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Haven't had time to read the WWII debate fully, but I thought I'd point out that Stalin had thousands of troops that hadn't even been deployed when the war ended - really, the actions of the U.S. and U.K. at D Day probably helped end the war sooner and with fewer casualties, but the Soviets could probably have won without it.

Yodaking June 4th, 2014 03:19 AM

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Haven't had time to read the WWII debate fully, but I thought I'd point out that Stalin had thousands of troops that hadn't even been deployed when the war ended - really, the actions of the U.S. and U.K. at D Day probably helped end the war sooner and with fewer casualties, but the Soviets could probably have won without it.

Don't confuse large numbers with fighting strength. The Russians were pressing everyone into service, very few of which had any training or skills as soldiers. I know they rounded up prisoners and Japanese POWs housed in Siberia, threw them on a train heading to Europe, marched them out in front of the German Army, and told them that the only way they would live to see tomorrow is if they defeated the German Army in front of them. Anyone that refused to fight would be shot by Russian machine guns, anyone that attempted to retreat would be shot by Russian machine guns. Their military equipment was limited, handing out 1 rifle for every 3 'soldiers' being sent at the enemy. The ones with no rifle were told that when the guy with the rifle dies they should pick it up.

chas June 4th, 2014 04:53 AM

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;) I enjoyed the program also, but there were many things they could not cover in the time they had. One of the reasons the Germans attacked Russia when they did was that Stalin was conducting a military expansion program at the time, and was quickly catching up to the Germans. Hitler actually only had a year or so when his forces would retain their clear military superiority, and the window was closing fast! So rather than give up on the whole thing, he took his shot while he still had a chance.

Our lend lease supplies were as important to Russian's war effort as our military "second front." Although Stalin attempted to hide its significance, when the Soviet Union dissolved, many 'new' photos of the Russians using US and British equipment came to light. We provided almost all of their trucks, for instance, and their vehicle shortage was why they were always riding their tanks!

On the other hand, the Soviet struggle was amazing and key to our own war effort. Eisenhower's son wrote in his book that even very late in the war when we were clearly winning, once the Russians had to pause to regroup on the Eastern Front, our 'victorious' armies couldn't advance a single mile toward Germany.

The TV program left out the entire key North African campaign where the US and British linked up to eventually surround all the Germans there. When the Germans surrendered 250,000 men in Tunesia at the end, that was as many as they lost at Stalingrad!

Because all totalitarian alliances are uneasy and impermanent, Hitler probably felt that he had to take advantage of Japanese momentum when he could. Like his difficulty with the Italians (and Spain, for that matter, in seeking supplies) he had to take what he could get when he could get it from his 'allies'...and not let them get too far ahead of him in the race to 'conquer the world.'

And let's not forget China, which is as large as the United States. We supplied them too! The Japanese, during the entire Pacific war, had to keep big armies on the Asian mainland to hold the huge coastal areas they had conquered from China to Southeast Asia, and fight battles in the China-Burma-India (CBI) Theater as well.

Chas
M.A. History

Hahma June 4th, 2014 07:04 AM

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Great post Chas. Thanks for the added insight! 8)

Tornado June 4th, 2014 10:21 AM

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Thanks for the insight chas!

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Originally Posted by Lazy Orang (Post 1943490)
Haven't had time to read the WWII debate fully, but I thought I'd point out that Stalin had thousands of troops that hadn't even been deployed when the war ended - really, the actions of the U.S. and U.K. at D Day probably helped end the war sooner and with fewer casualties, but the Soviets could probably have won without it.

Don't confuse large numbers with fighting strength. The Russians were pressing everyone into service, very few of which had any training or skills as soldiers. I know they rounded up prisoners and Japanese POWs housed in Siberia, threw them on a train heading to Europe, marched them out in front of the German Army, and told them that the only way they would live to see tomorrow is if they defeated the German Army in front of them. Anyone that refused to fight would be shot by Russian machine guns, anyone that attempted to retreat would be shot by Russian machine guns. Their military equipment was limited, handing out 1 rifle for every 3 'soldiers' being sent at the enemy. The ones with no rifle were told that when the guy with the rifle dies they should pick it up.

This is depicted incredibly well in my favorite military movie, Enemy at the Gates.
A must see IMO.

Hahma June 4th, 2014 12:16 PM

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Thanks for the insight chas!

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Haven't had time to read the WWII debate fully, but I thought I'd point out that Stalin had thousands of troops that hadn't even been deployed when the war ended - really, the actions of the U.S. and U.K. at D Day probably helped end the war sooner and with fewer casualties, but the Soviets could probably have won without it.

Don't confuse large numbers with fighting strength. The Russians were pressing everyone into service, very few of which had any training or skills as soldiers. I know they rounded up prisoners and Japanese POWs housed in Siberia, threw them on a train heading to Europe, marched them out in front of the German Army, and told them that the only way they would live to see tomorrow is if they defeated the German Army in front of them. Anyone that refused to fight would be shot by Russian machine guns, anyone that attempted to retreat would be shot by Russian machine guns. Their military equipment was limited, handing out 1 rifle for every 3 'soldiers' being sent at the enemy. The ones with no rifle were told that when the guy with the rifle dies they should pick it up.

This is depicted incredibly well in my favorite military movie, Enemy at the Gates.
A must see IMO.


Yep, great movie.:D


Also, watched Turn last night and continue to love this show. Next week's season finale looks great.

Yodaking June 4th, 2014 12:34 PM

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Yeah, Enemy at the Gates is a good film. You should check out the South Korean movie My Way (2011), it is based on a true story about a Korean who was captured by the Americans on D-Day. Pretty good story that covers several different fronts of the World War. The early part of the film when the main two characters are just boys in Korea has a pretty cheesy tone, but then the war starts up and the tone changes completely and turns into a pretty serious (and good) war movie.

Hahma June 4th, 2014 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yodaking (Post 1943638)
Yeah, Enemy at the Gates is a good film. You should check out the South Korean movie My Way (2011), it is based on a true story about a Korean who was captured by the Americans on D-Day. Pretty good story that covers several different fronts of the World War. The early part of the film when the main two characters are just boys in Korea has a pretty cheesy tone, but then the war starts up and the tone changes completely and turns into a pretty serious (and good) war movie.

I heard something about a Korean that was somehow captured by the Russians and then by the Germans or something to that effect. He had quite the journey.

There were white Russians fighting for the Germans also on D-Day.

Lazy Orang June 5th, 2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazy Orang (Post 1943490)
Haven't had time to read the WWII debate fully, but I thought I'd point out that Stalin had thousands of troops that hadn't even been deployed when the war ended - really, the actions of the U.S. and U.K. at D Day probably helped end the war sooner and with fewer casualties, but the Soviets could probably have won without it.

Don't confuse large numbers with fighting strength. The Russians were pressing everyone into service, very few of which had any training or skills as soldiers. I know they rounded up prisoners and Japanese POWs housed in Siberia, threw them on a train heading to Europe, marched them out in front of the German Army, and told them that the only way they would live to see tomorrow is if they defeated the German Army in front of them. Anyone that refused to fight would be shot by Russian machine guns, anyone that attempted to retreat would be shot by Russian machine guns. Their military equipment was limited, handing out 1 rifle for every 3 'soldiers' being sent at the enemy. The ones with no rifle were told that when the guy with the rifle dies they should pick it up.

Wow, didn't know that - that's really interesting! Shouldn't surprise me too much - after all, it was only fairly recently that the Russian military upgraded to socks. :) Still, you've got to hand it to 'em for the fact that it was their forces advancing on Hitler himself that caused him to commit suicide.

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Originally Posted by chas (Post 1943591)
:wink: I enjoyed the program also, but there were many things they could not cover in the time they had. One of the reasons the Germans attacked Russia when they did was that Stalin was conducting a military expansion program at the time, and was quickly catching up to the Germans. Hitler actually only had a year or so when his forces would retain their clear military superiority, and the window was closing fast! So rather than give up on the whole thing, he took his shot while he still had a chance.

Our lend lease supplies were as important to Russian's war effort as our military "second front." Although Stalin attempted to hide its significance, when the Soviet Union dissolved, many 'new' photos of the Russians using US and British equipment came to light. We provided almost all of their trucks, for instance, and their vehicle shortage was why they were always riding their tanks!

On the other hand, the Soviet struggle was amazing and key to our own war effort. Eisenhower's son wrote in his book that even very late in the war when we were clearly winning, once the Russians had to pause to regroup on the Eastern Front, our 'victorious' armies couldn't advance a single mile toward Germany.

The TV program left out the entire key North African campaign where the US and British linked up to eventually surround all the Germans there. When the Germans surrendered 250,000 men in Tunesia at the end, that was as many as they lost at Stalingrad!

Because all totalitarian alliances are uneasy and impermanent, Hitler probably felt that he had to take advantage of Japanese momentum when he could. Like his difficulty with the Italians (and Spain, for that matter, in seeking supplies) he had to take what he could get when he could get it from his 'allies'...and not let them get too far ahead of him in the race to 'conquer the world.'

And let's not forget China, which is as large as the United States. We supplied them too! The Japanese, during the entire Pacific war, had to keep big armies on the Asian mainland to hold the huge coastal areas they had conquered from China to Southeast Asia, and fight battles in the China-Burma-India (CBI) Theater as well.

Chas
M.A. History

Interesting! I've done some work on WWII fairly recently but it was mainly internal German, Holocaust based stuff - I've done very little on the actual war so far.

On another note more in-keeping with thread, watched the fourth episode of 24: Live Another Day a couple of nights ago - really enjoying it so far. Quite an improvement on the last series, IMO - that one was quite disappointing to me.

Tornado June 5th, 2014 04:33 PM

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Check out Enemy at the Gates L_O. You will see one soldier get handed a gun and the next get bullets.
"When the man with gun dies, the man with the bullets picks up the gun." Or something like that.

I read a great Piers Anthony book that had a story about that same battle and mirrored EatG quite nicely. When I saw the movie, it matched visually what I saw in my head when reading the novel. It was a surreal experience.

Anyone willing to admit they watch The Originals?


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