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Tornado June 29th, 2019 11:25 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
No, which is why I did not attempt it this last game. In the VDO rules it is mentioned but I assume that is to cover the possibility.
We probably should rule on that. For now I will play it as you cannot.
If you can stand on a VDO, are you engaged with it, can you attack it?

Tornado June 29th, 2019 11:28 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Sports Car x2(200), Mr. Fantastic(235), Sue(215), Lady Blackhawk(110), Iron Man: Hasbro(240) vs. Frank, DM, Wendigo & Skrull Infiltrator[1000]

R1:
Sue and Reed hop in the Blue Car, Reed drives. DM moves. Lady B and Tony jump in the Red Car, Reed drives the Blue Car on to the road. Frank moves. Lady B H&R(9+2), wounds DM, throws in reverse while her and Tony shoot out the windows, Stark strikes for 3wounds. Frank charges, misses the Red Car(4/8shields), DM moves, Fire Breaths(3skulls) the Blue Car, {If I read this right if I attack the Blue Car, it will hit Sue and Reed and the adjacent Red Car but not the passengers}, 2wounds Blue Car, wounds Sue, misses Reed.

R2: Lady B H&R(20+2) wounds DM, misses, Reed wounds DM. Wendigo Leaps. Lady B H&R(5+2), misses DM, misses, Reed misses. Frank moves down, KOs the Blue Car(2/9shields, no spill over damage), Wendigo moves, misses the Red Car(3/8shields). Lady B H&R(9+2) wounds, KOs DM, misses Wendi, Stark 2wounds Frank, Reed misses Frank who KOs the Red Car(1/9shields, no spill over damage), Wendigo 2wounds Lady B.

R3: Frank misses Reed with 5 skulls, Wendigo misses. Stark hits Frank but he resists, Reed does the same. Frank misses Reed with 5 skulls, Wendigo misses. Stark, miss, LB miss, Reed miss. Frank rolls 5skulls for the third time in a row and manages to 2wound Reed, Wendi KOs Lady B, Leaps, misses Sue who flees, Reed miss.

R4: Frank misses, Wendi misses. Stark wounds Frank, Reed wounds Frank who misses, Wendi misses. Stark miss, Sue wounds Frank, Reed wounds Frank who KOs Reed, Wendi takes a swipe from Stark, wounds Sue.

R5: Tony KOs Frank, misses Wendi who wounds Sue. Tony 3wounds Wendi who KOs Sue[Skrull Infiltrator], heals, moves, 2wounds Tony who 3wounds Wendigo who KOs Tony.

Winner:
Wendigo 6/7wounds & Skrull Infiltrator.

Of note two H&R hit from the +2 for Lady B. No spill over damage on either VDO KO.

Tornado June 29th, 2019 11:35 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
One thing that is a little weird. If an opponent's figure exits a VDO you are driving they take an unblockable attack die if they do not have SS but there is nothing against an opponent hopping into the passenger seat.
Not a big deal but if the idea is the VDO is still moving, then getting in would be tricky.

MrNobody June 29th, 2019 11:41 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
That’s tricky. On one hand, you see people hopping on/in cars all the time, no problem, in these kinds of stories. Indy can do it. There’s a whole ep of YJ S3 that has Dick and Roy hopping all over a bunch of moving trucks. But it’s also hard to imagine Luthor or somebody of similar physical skill doing it and there’s no real way to distinguish between a Nightwing level of skill and a Lex level of skill.

I honestly interpreted the unblockable die as the struggle of escaping the car itself. The guy in charge can lock the door, making it harder for the opponent’s figure to escape. A SS guy can just punch the door down, but a non-SS guy might have to jump through the window or something like that, leading to injury.

Tornado June 29th, 2019 11:58 AM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
It may have to be on a case by case basis here.
You should be able to at least climb over/run across a VDO if you have the movement.
Is that allowed with the current rules?

IAmBatman June 29th, 2019 12:05 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2291842)
No, which is why I did not attempt it this last game. In the VDO rules it is mentioned but I assume that is to cover the possibility.
We probably should rule on that. For now I will play it as you cannot.
If you can stand on a VDO, are you engaged with it, can you attack it?

Yes. On top of is adjacent, so you can melee attack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tornado (Post 2291855)
It may have to be on a case by case basis here.
You should be able to at least climb over/run across a VDO if you have the movement.
Is that allowed with the current rules?

You can walk over anything with height if you have the right move/height/climb yourself.

Tornado June 29th, 2019 12:58 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
I get that for like a ruin that does not take up a space, but does that apply here?
You are essentially entering the space the VDO is in. It is not just climbing over and dropping down on the other side, you are on top for part of the movement.

So if a figure is standing at the front bumper of a Sports Car, they can walk over it(two spaces) and end up at the rear bumper for 6 Move?

IAmBatman June 29th, 2019 01:44 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Good question. I guess it’s a figure, not an obstacle, under the rules. If you have disengage, can you climb over an enemy figure?

quozl June 29th, 2019 02:46 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
I think it's an obstacle and a figure. My junkyard map was definitely designed with being able to climb on top of the parked cars.

Tornado June 29th, 2019 03:01 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
I was thinking about the climbing over another scenario as well Bats.
We could ask that one out in classic land. :)

Tornado June 29th, 2019 06:08 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
May have found a worrisome combo. Sue and Atom in the Car cannot be targeted so you have to KO the Car first which is at 8 Defense. Then you still have to engage Sue to take her out which Reed can make quite difficult.

IAmBatman June 29th, 2019 08:21 PM

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test
 
Is the car’s normal defense 6?


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