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mac122 July 25th, 2011 02:56 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
The sequel had Danny Glover in it. A Predator was hunting in a city (LA, NY, I don't remember), taking out gang members and police. A government agency tried to capture the predator by luring it into a cold storage warehouse. They all died. Don't remember how, but Glover killed the predator. It was a really bad movie.
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Personally, I like Wulf's simple choose to self-destruct mechanic. The "one-life remaining" aspect is very thematic. Had Arnold killed it outright, there would have been no chance to self-destruct. If a predator has more than one life left, I doubt you would choose to blow him up unless it would win the game for you - but that wouldn't be thematic.

Lamaclown July 25th, 2011 03:23 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1447485)
Personally, I like Wulf's simple choose to self-destruct mechanic. The "one-life remaining" aspect is very thematic. Had Arnold killed it outright, there would have been no chance to self-destruct. If a predator has more than one life left, I doubt you would choose to blow him up unless it would win the game for you - but that wouldn't be thematic.

I think mac has it right.

1. I agree, being able to trigger only when one life remains may not make it as usable, but it will make it more thematic, which I would prefer over usable.

2. Wulf's idea keeps it simple and thematic. More could be done to make it super thematic but then it will also lose its playable simplicity and could get over the top.

I don't think the idea with this project is to completely simulate what took place in the movie(s) or book(s) but to capture the essence of the character. In this case, a simple one-life-remaining-kaboom radius accomplishes just that.

Lamaclown August 2nd, 2011 03:40 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I was thinking about the 1-life-kaboom.
In the 1st movie (I saw the others but they were quickly forgettable) Arnie did a good job of wounding the Predator but it either field dressed its wounds or just kept going.

How about an ability along these lines...
Quote:

ABILITY NAME HERE
If the Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll an X or lower, the Predator is destroyed. If you roll an X+1 or higher, place wounds markers on this card until there is only one life remaining.
It would convey the "toughness" of the predator and it would also make the Self-destruct ability more likely to come into play.

Just a thought...

Taeblewalker August 2nd, 2011 03:42 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I love this idea, LC!

Taeblewalker August 2nd, 2011 03:43 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Edit: Wrong thread!

Rav August 5th, 2011 12:27 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Hello all, new to the site. Have been dabbling in game mechanics and game creation going all the way back to when I was 10 and using stats off of the backs of baseball cards.

I would love to see a Flash Gordon unique hero. I was thinking something of a melee basic attack and pistol special attack.

Taeblewalker August 5th, 2011 01:19 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
You can get in the queue and take a turn designing, if you like.

To all: Balantai was looking for someone to take over this thread, and no one offered, so I will do the job if no one objects.

Lamaclown August 5th, 2011 01:22 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1454674)
You can get in the queue and take a turn designing, if you like.

To all: Balantai was looking for someone to take over this thread, and no one offered, so I will do the job if no one objects.

I can't think of anyone better to do it.
Thanks for taking it on, TW!

mac122 August 5th, 2011 01:26 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1454675)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1454674)
You can get in the queue and take a turn designing, if you like.

To all: Balantai was looking for someone to take over this thread, and no one offered, so I will do the job if no one objects.

I can't think of anyone better to do it.
Thanks for taking it on, TW!

Sounds good to me. Thanks Taeblewalker!

Edit: @ Rav: welcome to the site! We are working on a design for the Predator right now, but Flash Gordon would be an interesting figure to create, too. Hope you'll stick around.

Edit: @ Taeblewalker: Balantai always brought snacks. Will you be bringing snacks, too? Doritos and Diet Dew would be great. ;)

Lamaclown August 5th, 2011 01:28 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
BTW, I see that wulf hasn't been on for a couple of weeks.

What should we do with the Predator to move him along since his designer has been absent for a while?
Quote:

Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1454677)
Edit: @ Rav: welcome to the site! We are working on a design for the Predator right now, but Flash Gordon would be an interesting figure to create, too. Hope you'll stick around.

Ditto. Welcome, Rav

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1454677)
Edit: @ Taeblewalker: Balantai always brought snacks. Will you be bringing snacks, too? Doritos and Diet Dew would be great. ;)

You really are on the payroll for Diet Dew aren't you.:)

BTW, I am doing P90X right now so Dorito's aren't working for me- maybe carrots; they're practically the same as Doritos- at least that is what I keep telling myself :(

Rav August 5th, 2011 01:52 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Thanks! Yes, I would love to get in the queue and would love to help in any way that I can.

mac122 August 5th, 2011 02:01 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1454680)
BTW, I see that wulf hasn't been on for a couple of weeks.

What should we do with the Predator to move him along since his designer has been absent for a while?
Quote:

Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1454677)
Edit: @ Rav: welcome to the site! We are working on a design for the Predator right now, but Flash Gordon would be an interesting figure to create, too. Hope you'll stick around.

Ditto. Welcome, Rav

Quote:

Originally Posted by mac122 (Post 1454677)
Edit: @ Taeblewalker: Balantai always brought snacks. Will you be bringing snacks, too? Doritos and Diet Dew would be great. ;)

You really are on the payroll for Diet Dew aren't you.:)

I should own the company with as much Diet Dew as I drink.

I'll PM Wulf (unless someone else already has). If I don't get a response, we could either finish Predator ourselves, or put it on hold for now and let the next person in line submit a design.

BTW, LC, I like your "ABILITY NAME HERE" idea.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC
BTW, I am doing P90X right now so Dorito's aren't working for me- maybe carrots; they're practically the same as Doritos- at least that is what I keep telling myself :(

Nacho cheese Doritos are orange and carrots are orange, so they must be the same! (Did that help?)

Rav August 7th, 2011 09:29 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
We going to wrap up the Predator? I found a figure that would work for it.

http://www.fantization.com/pre-order...ededition.aspx

Taeblewalker August 8th, 2011 12:35 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Awesome job. I'll propose that we finalize it after I take one last look at it.

Taeblewalker August 8th, 2011 12:37 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
The figure seems a little expensive.

Rav August 8th, 2011 01:04 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Yeah, I just happened across it while looking for custom ideas. I looked for some alternatives with no luck.

Taeblewalker August 9th, 2011 08:44 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Predator
Vydar
Yautja
Unommon Hero
Predator
Honorable
Medium 6

LIFE 6
MOVE 6 Spaces
RANGE 5 Spaces
ATTACK 3 Dice
DEFENSE 4 Dice
POINTS (120ish?)

PREDATOR'S STEALTH
This Predator can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When this Predator rolls defense dice against an attacking figure that is not adjacent, one shield will block all damage. This Predator may not use this ability on a water space.

WORTHY PREY
When this Predator attacks an adjacent figure with one or more order unrevealed markers on its army card, add 3 to this Predator's attack value.

SELF-DESTRUCT
If this Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, before destroying this Predator, roll two unblockable attack dice. All figures within three clear sight spaces receive a wound for each skull shown.



How does this look?

Lamaclown August 9th, 2011 08:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1457126)
Predator
Vydar
Yautja
Unommon Hero
Predator
Honorable
Medium 6

LIFE 6
MOVE 6 Spaces
RANGE 5 Spaces
ATTACK 3 Dice
DEFENSE 4 Dice
POINTS (120ish?)

PREDATOR'S STEALTH
This Predator can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When this Predator rolls defense dice against an attacking figure that is not adjacent, one shield will block all damage. This Predator may not use this ability on a water space.

WORTHY PREY
When this Predator attacks an adjacent figure with one or more unrevealed order unrevealed markers on its army card, add 3 to this Predator's attack value.

SELF-DESTRUCT
If this Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, before destroying this Predator, roll two unblockable attack dice. All figures within three clear sight spaces receive a wound for each skull shown.[/spoiler]



How does this look?

:thumbsup:

mac122 August 9th, 2011 08:59 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1457126)
Predator
Vydar
Yautja
Unommon Hero
Predator
Honorable
Medium 6

LIFE 6
MOVE 6 Spaces
RANGE 5 Spaces
ATTACK 3 Dice
DEFENSE 4 Dice
POINTS (120ish?)

PREDATOR'S STEALTH
This Predator can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When this Predator rolls defense dice against an attacking figure that is not adjacent, one shield will block all damage. This Predator may not use this ability on a water space.

WORTHY PREY
When this Predator attacks an adjacent figure with one or more unrevealed order unrevealed markers on its army card, add 3 to this Predator's attack value.

SELF-DESTRUCT
If this Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, before destroying this Predator, roll two unblockable attack dice. All figures within three clear sight spaces receive a wound for each skull shown.



How does this look?

One minor edit in WORTHY PREY.
One question: do we need to specify "unrevealed" order markers? IMO, if the figure has any order markers, they would be considered an active enemy and therefore be WORTHY PREY. Just wondering. It's not a deal breaker.
otherwise:
:thumbsup:

Taeblewalker August 9th, 2011 09:05 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I am fine with either one.

Let's vote!

Lamaclown August 9th, 2011 09:08 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
My final vote:
:thumbsup:
with mac's any OM suggestion

mac122 August 9th, 2011 09:12 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
With "any OMs" for WORTHY PREY
:thumbsup:

We can set Predator's point value at 120 for now. If/when I ever carve out time for playtesting, I'll be sure to try this one out.

Taeblewalker August 9th, 2011 09:44 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
It looks like that's the way to go, then. If anyone else wants to object, that's fine. Are there any other changes anyone would make? It would be nice to find a cheaper figure than the one Rav siggested, but I haven't had a chance to look.

mac122 August 10th, 2011 01:20 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
There are some Horrorclix Predator figures, but they are hard to find and can get almost as expensive as that unpainted figure. StrikeZone Online has a few different ones. I checked Miniature Market, Troll and Toad, and Cool Stuff but none showed any Predator minis in stock. I even checked eBay, but didn't see any single minis available.

Rav August 10th, 2011 02:38 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Card looks good. Thumbs up from me. I even made a scan of the local shops to try anf find a mini that would work, couldn't find anything.

Taeblewalker August 12th, 2011 04:41 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I took out "unrevealed." We seem to be having trouble finding a figure, but that shouldn't stop the process. Therefore, I propose that we move Predator, as written below, to playtesting.

Predator
Vydar
Yautja
Unommon Hero
Predator
Honorable
Medium 6

LIFE 6
MOVE 6 Spaces
RANGE 5 Spaces
ATTACK 3 Dice
DEFENSE 4 Dice
POINTS 120

PREDATOR'S STEALTH
This Predator can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When this Predator rolls defense dice against an attacking figure that is not adjacent, one shield will block all damage. This Predator may not use this ability on a water space.

WORTHY PREY
When this Predator attacks an adjacent figure with one or more order markers on its army card, add 3 to this Predator's attack value.

SELF-DESTRUCT
If this Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, before destroying this Predator, roll two unblockable attack dice. All figures within three clear sight spaces receive a wound for each skull shown.

Taeblewalker August 12th, 2011 04:59 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Here is a thread that discusses some minis.

mac122 August 12th, 2011 10:31 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1459203)
I took out "unrevealed." We seem to be having trouble finding a figure, but that shouldn't stop the process. Therefore, I propose that we move Predator, as written below, to playtesting.

Predator
Vydar
Yautja
Uncommon Hero
Predator
Honorable
Medium 6

LIFE 6
MOVE 6 Spaces
RANGE 5 Spaces
ATTACK 3 Dice
DEFENSE 4 Dice
POINTS 120

PREDATOR'S STEALTH
This Predator can move through all figures and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. When this Predator rolls defense dice against an attacking figure that is not adjacent, one shield will block all damage. This Predator may not use this ability on a water space.

WORTHY PREY
When this Predator attacks an adjacent figure with one or more order markers on its army card, add 3 to this Predator's attack value.

SELF-DESTRUCT
If this Predator receives enough wounds from an attack to be destroyed roll the 20 sided die. If you roll a 16 or higher, before destroying this Predator, roll two unblockable attack dice. All figures within three clear sight spaces receive a wound for each skull shown.

:up: Gets my vote.

killercactus August 12th, 2011 10:57 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I like it.

mac122 August 12th, 2011 02:15 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I put together a card for playtesting.
http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/a...n/PREDATOR.png
Now I just need to get my hobby table cleaned off so I can build a map.

Taeblewalker August 12th, 2011 06:25 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Awesome! It looks like a winner.

Rav August 12th, 2011 09:38 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Going to use an Storm Golem (AT-43 mini) as a proxi test for the ol' Predator for this weekend's games.

Who is next the queue?

Taeblewalker August 12th, 2011 10:05 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Wulfhunter

mac122 August 13th, 2011 01:42 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1459821)
Wulfhunter

Wulfhunter presented the Predator. It should be Hrockle if he's still around. If not, then Lamaclown. I know LC is back in the swing of things.

Taeblewalker August 13th, 2011 01:55 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Sorry. I saw you had made the card, and I was too involved in other things to think clearly. Hrockle it is, and I'll PM him. Otherwise, I'll talk to LC.

mac122 August 14th, 2011 12:50 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Nothing to be sorry about. When this project started out, I made playtesting cards for each Hero. I missed some in the middle that I'll try to catch up on.

Lamaclown August 18th, 2011 05:41 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Any word from Hrockle?

mac122 August 18th, 2011 06:36 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
While we wait to see if Hrockle is still around, I've got some notes and questions. I'm going through the playtesting cards I made and creating playtesting cards for the ones I've missed.

1. Didn't we do Frankenstein's Monster? I remember discussing it, but don't know if it was ever finished.

2. Need mini suggestions for the following figures to use in making hit zones.
-Samuel Sullivan
-Inigo Montoya - Elf Swashbuckler: Angelfire #18
-Agent Smith - Krav Maga Tommy Lee Jones
-Eric the Cavalier - Merchant Guard: Desert of Desolation #12
-Ash Williams
-Dr. Who

3. Thought about including a Heroes of Fiction logo somewhere on the card. Probably just make a simple "HoF" similar to the CHCG24 logo. If someone has a better idea or design, let me know.

Taeblewalker August 18th, 2011 07:46 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I haven't heard from Hrockle since I sent him a PM 5 days ago, so go ahead with your design.

As for the figures, Eric the Cavalier uses Merchant Guard: Desert of Desolation #12, and Inigo Montoya uses Elf Swashbuckler: Angelfire #18.

mac122 August 18th, 2011 07:53 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1464457)
As for the figures, Eric the Cavalier uses Merchant Guard: Desert of Desolation #12, and Inigo Montoya uses Elf Swashbuckler: Angelfire #18.

Thanks!

For Agent Smith, we had discussed using the Tommy Lee Jones Krav Maga agent, but the figure has a gun and Agent Smith has Range 1. Should I just go ahead and use that figure?

Taeblewalker August 18th, 2011 07:55 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
That would work fine - you can just cut off the gun if you want, since Agent Smith tended to fight hand to hand. ;)

Lamaclown August 18th, 2011 08:38 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I will work on a HoF logo if you guys want me to. I like to do stuff like that.

As far as the next design, so many characters I want to see come to life :ponder:

Let me do some mini searching. I have a couple if ideas but I want to see which one has the most available appropriate miniature.

mac122 August 18th, 2011 09:03 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
I'd love to see what you come up with for a logo!

As far as your choice, take all the time you need...did you pick yet? :D

I've got all the cards done except for Samuel Sullivan and Ash Williams. I have a hit zone for Dr. Who that will work - it was a Star Wars mini. I'll look through my other Star Wars Minis and see if I've got something that will work for the last 2.

Lamaclown August 18th, 2011 09:18 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Here is a link to the first post with Frankenstein's Monster

It doesn't look like it was ever finished.

Lamaclown August 18th, 2011 10:12 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Double post- sorry.

I have decided on a character. I was trying to decide between Sydney Bristow from ALIAS and Dr. Dolittle (not the Eddie Murphy one :headshake:).

Needless to say there are plenty of figs to use for Agent Bristow but I saw that our own mac122 already has a card made for her.

Dr. Dolittle is one I wanted to make for my Heroes of Classic Literatture thread but it was very challenging and it is hard to find figs.

Anyhow, because of the challenge, I choose...
Dr. Dolittle

Literature

So far I have this for a mini...
http://pj.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i/HCUN-062.jpeg
Shade from Heroclix Unleashed. I found 30 of them for $2 or less and that was on only one site.
I am basically looking for something with a top hat.

Doctor Dolittle on Wikipedia

Vision for Dr. Dolittle:
1. I would like to see him as a Kato Katsuro type of unit for beasts, animals, insects, etc.

2. He was an adventurer and traveler. Something to bring this out.

3. He was a veterinarian so a healing ability for beasts, animals, insects, etc. would be very cool

Numbers 1 and 3 are the most important probably to catch the flavor of Dr. Dolittle.

Rav August 18th, 2011 11:01 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Found this for Ash: http://studiominiatures.com/page4.html

And depending on which version of the good Doctor you liked best:
http://www.fantization.com/drhughmccrimmonx1fig.aspx
http://www.fantization.com/juniordoc...lordx1fig.aspx
http://www.fantization.com/malcolmec...i-fix1fig.aspx

Taeblewalker August 18th, 2011 11:21 PM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Arachnids, Insects, and Beasts would work.

WALK WITH THE ANIMALS
After taking a turn with Dr. Doolittle, you may move up to two Arachnids, Insects or Beasts you control up to 4 spaces each.

TALK WITH THE ANIMALS
Instead of taking a turn with Dr. Dolittle, you may take a turn with any Arachnid, Insect or Beast unit you control.

THE GOOD DOCTOR
If Dr. Doolittle ends his turn adjacent to a Unique Arachnid, Insect or Beast Hero you control, you may remove up to two wound markers from that Hero's army card.


The second power shows that he is giving the animals orders in the sense of order markers.

mac122 August 19th, 2011 12:13 AM

Re: Heroes of Fiction: Design Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rav (Post 1464542)

Nice finds, Rav.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown (Post 1464531)

I have decided on a character. I was trying to decide between Sydney Bristow from ALIAS and Dr. Dolittle (not the Eddie Murphy one :headshake:).

Needless to say there are plenty of figs to use for Agent Bristow but I saw that our own mac122 already has a card made for her.

That's an early one! It really needs to be revisited.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamaclown
Dr. Dolittle is one I wanted to make for my Heroes of Classic Literatture thread but it was very challenging and it is hard to find figs.

Anyhow, because of the challenge, I choose...
Dr. Dolittle

Literature

So far I have this for a mini...
http://pj.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i/HCUN-062.jpeg
Shade from Heroclix Unleashed. I found 30 of them for $2 or less and that was on only one site.
I am basically looking for something with a top hat.

Doctor Dolittle on Wikipedia

Vision for Dr. Dolittle:
1. I would like to see him as a Kato Katsuro type of unit for beasts, animals, insects, etc.

2. He was an adventurer and traveler. Something to bring this out.

3. He was a veterinarian so a healing ability for beasts, animals, insects, etc. would be very cool

Numbers 1 and 3 are the most important probably to catch the flavor of Dr. Dolittle.

Nice choice! I would never have thought of Dr. Doolittle.

I would think his offensive stats would be low but have a higher life or higher defense (or both).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taeblewalker (Post 1464548)
Arachnids, Insects, and Beasts would work.

WALK WITH THE ANIMALS
After taking a turn with Dr. Doolittle, you may move up to two Arachnids, Insects or Beasts you control up to 4 spaces each.

TALK WITH THE ANIMALS
Instead of taking a turn with Dr. Dolittle, you may take a turn with any Arachnid, Insect or Beast unit you control.

THE GOOD DOCTOR
If Dr. Doolittle ends his turn adjacent to a Unique Arachnid, Insect or Beast Hero you control, you may remove up to two wound markers from that Hero's army card.

I like what you've got here. Though I'm not sure Beast should be one of the possibilities. Beast would include Ice Troll, Krug, Mimring, and the Swog Rider. Perhaps we should remove Beast and add Vipers and/or Wolves.


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