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RichardD June 12th, 2010 07:28 PM

D2 - changes in the base size
 
I thought that it might as well have it's own thread, as I can see this issue generating a fair amount of internet traffic.

FWIW, I'd rather the bases didn't change. I don't buy the "it'll bring in more players and grow the market" line; that's some excuse dreamt up by a beancounter. People won't choose to buy a pack of HS figures simply because of smaller bases. And the idea that the new bases are the only size suitable for use in other tabletop games has obviously come from someone how hasn't noticed that Games Workshop have been using base sizes almost identical to "old" 'scape bases for the best part of 25 years without going broke.

There are two and a half obvious downsides. The fact that the figures will no longer match all the rest of our HS figures. The face that smaller bases are less stable in use. And I've no idea if the effect on gameplay (the smaller the bases, the more opportunity to micromanage the position of the figures on their hexes) is a good thing or a bad thing.

So why is it being done? Well, as I said we can ignore the official line. My view is that it's to help deal with the scale issues. By making the bases smaller, it makes the figures themselves look larger, which goes some way to avoiding the obvious comparisons between "classic" 'scape and D&D Minis retreads. It works only until you line the figures up next to one another, I suspect.

Of course, I'll still buy them. But I'd rather this particular change wasn't happening. It won't fool anybody, it won't benefit anybody, and simply isn't necessary IMO.

Takanuva June 12th, 2010 07:30 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
My response from the other thread:

Making other games compatible with Heroscape="Great customs!"

Making Heroscape compatible with other games="Heroscape should be for Heroscape, not for people to play in other games!"

I fail to see the logic in this. As far as I can tell, The bases do not change the game in anyway. Why is that something to quit Heroscape over?

Grungebob June 12th, 2010 07:36 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
I can guaranty that it is not to make the figures look bigger. That is absurd.

Devil's Advocate June 12th, 2010 07:36 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Yeah it is highly improbable that the primary reason other gamer's are not playing HS is because of the bases. It also contributes the pattern of HS losing its uniqueness:

-Step 1: Emilination of Classic Figures
-Step 2: Changing the Bases
-Step 3: ?

WOTC should just say that they are doing it to increase efficiency since it is more efficient to have 2 lines use the same bases than different ones

Takanuva June 12th, 2010 07:38 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
You don't buy changing the bases to bring in more players? I'm no economist but I see that as the only logical reason.

theGuru June 12th, 2010 07:39 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate (Post 1108702)

WOTC should just say that they are doing it to increase efficiency since it is more efficient to have 2 lines use the same bases than different ones

They won't be using the same bases. Any D&D minis coming out will still have the normal black base, while Heroscape minis have the harder plastic base with the decal on top.

I forgot to mention there was a huge positive base change in this wave....

The numbers are finally on the bottom of the Double Spaced figures!

Devil's Advocate June 12th, 2010 07:42 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by theGuru (Post 1108709)
I forgot to mention there was a huge positive base change in this wave....

The numbers are finally on the bottom of the Double Spaced figures!

Maybe others are more aware than me but until the Hydra I never even knew the double space bases even had numbers.

theGuru June 12th, 2010 07:43 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Well it started with the Feral Troll, that was the only one before the Hydra. All the DS figs in D1 had the numbers on the side of the base.

badgermaniac June 12th, 2010 07:43 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate (Post 1108702)
Yeah it is highly improbable that the primary reason other gamer's are not playing HS is because of the bases.

It doesn't have to be the primary reason, only A reason. Given that companies do not typically just throw things against the wall and hope they stick, I would suspect that they have some market research that tells them that there are others that would consider using these figures if they were more compatible.

Like many, I would prefer they don't change, but it also isn't something that will deserve the fit that some fans will throw regarding them. I suspect that a vocal minority will get up in arms, but to the general buying public, it won't be a blip on the radar.

WOTC did this a few years back with their Star Wars line. They changed to square bases for one expansion (though for different stated reasons). No, I was not especially fond of them, but in the end, it really didn't matter. The game is still the game.

Lord Pyre June 12th, 2010 07:44 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Like I said in the other thread, it makes perfect sense.

It's going to bug me to no ends, but it makes sense. I think I may have an undiagnosed case of OCD or something that makes me want official bases for every single custom I use, also... :p


Quote:

Originally Posted by theGuru (Post 1108709)
The numbers are finally on the bottom of the Double Spaced figures!

Well, there's that, haha! :p

Greyelephant June 12th, 2010 07:47 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
When was this idea first proposed?

Why wouldn't this have been done with MS3?

theGuru June 12th, 2010 07:49 PM

Re: D2 - changes in the base size
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyelephant (Post 1108727)
When was this idea first proposed?

Why wouldn't this have been done with MS3?

Cause it was proposed between D1 and D2 :-)


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